0:02 Greta Thunberg or or as uh somebody like likes to call her as Greta no Thunderberg uh is joining another flotillaa uh that's going to Gaza. Uh they've already started they launch or sort of like what you call it they started uh yesterday around I I think it was like 3:00 p.m. 400 p.m. uh central European time. Now they are somewhere uh that there is actually you can actually track uh they are basically sharing their position uh at all times. So they are somewhere between uh uh sort of like Sicily and Creit uh right now sort of like in the middle and yeah their goal is to reach Gaza in next few days unless something stops them. Uh of course they shouldn't be able to there is a blockade
0:47 uh on Gaza by Israel so uh they shouldn't be able to. So we'll see what happens. And this is not the first flatillaa. There was one uh some weeks ago and there was also one uh in 2010. So we'll discuss all of that. We'll go through her video. Joining me today are Nicholas Proenzo and Riel. Uh thank you guys for joining me today and I'll go to you Nicholas first. Uh yeah. What do you make? Have you uh have you been watching the news about sort of the last uh when when it happened a few weeks ago? So for those who don't remember, there was a uh a different ship there was supposed to go, but it was uh basically uh two drones uh attacked it and it was they were unable to move. Nobody uh I believe
1:34 nobody was killed or injured, but the ship was not able to go. Uh we technically do not know who uh did it uh but it's assumed that it was Israel, but Israel didn't comment on this. Um Nicholas, any any first thoughts on this? Uh and then we'll go to her video. Well, it's the Thunberg spectacle. That's her whole shtick. Uh you know, she's not proposing solutions. She never does. uh other than abject sacrifice. But I I'm I'm just stunned at how anyone in the West who has grown up and benefited from the West's freedoms, from its prosperity, uh from its respect for rights, looks at
2:21 Hamas and finds a victim. And and and that's what's stunning about her. But when you when you think about it, it it really closely engra integrates with her her green activism where she's not looking at what makes human life good. She's looking at something altogether different uh with her green activism. It's sacrificing yourself for nature for Hamas. I I I'm at a loss. I'd be interested to hear what you guys think. Does she have the blinders on in regards to Hamas or is she fully aware of what they are and embraces it and looks at Israel and says that's what I hate and and I would say
3:07 if that's the case then it's classic hatred for the good for being good because what else could you lock on to but Israel's virtues compared to Hamas and and and and what would you wind up with other than hatred if you were her? So, you know, I'm kind of interested to hear what you gentlemen think about it. Yeah, I'll go to you uh Y in a second. I would uh I will uh comment on her support of Palestinians a bit later, but sort of her support of environmentalism is really interesting when you put it in parallel. Uh uh again I'm uh paraphrasing Kirk Wilox uh he talks about Greta Tanberg or talked in the past and I really liked his example is you know ask yourself a question. Do you think Gretenberg when uh uh you know do you think sometimes in the future she'll be like okay we solved climate change
3:54 now let's fire up stock market let's let's make productivity possible let's just create great businesses now that we've like solved climate change or will will it be this forever sort of we always there's always something we need to take care of there's always like some catastrophe that is nearing um yeah I mean to go to you uh what do you make Uh yeah. Is she are people like her sort of like blind to Hamas or what's happening? Well uh I have two parts. Uh the first part is quite short and the second is quite long. So I start with the short part. I think Greta is a case of supreme secondhandedness but it's like an active
4:40 secondhanded mind. And it seems as if and this is I don't have too much facts back in this but this is my hunch regarding this is that her parents really wanted to be famous and they wanted Greta to be famous. They want to be they wanted to have this project. So they popped all of these balloons and with her and climate really worked for them and and it became a huge hit and a huge success for them. I think way more than they expected. Uh so they went all in with that and she became a symbol uh for the fight against climate. I call it the fight against humanity and and I think joining uh the pro Palestinians is just the the
5:26 next step uh for such a person who doesn't really have any any principles or any true road view. the her I think Greta worldview and she she accepted it from her parents is that I I want to be famous. I want to be a symbol. That's her world view and she's going to join the most evil and horrible and destructive movements there are. I don't think she really cares and and she will speak about it with great emotion and passion and and uh have her speeches which are quite dumb all like you know I watched her video on X. Yeah, we have this boat and we're gonna come with food and medical supplies to Gaza to break the siege. Like, who are you fooling?
6:12 Like, who? Like, this is a joke. This is obviously like a a move to to scrutinize Israel and to to put Israel in a position that like should she'd get in trouble. And uh and regarding the like the ideology and the green ideology and the pro Palestine and all this, I have a lot to say. I'll keep it for later for now. Yeah. I mean, Nicholas, what do you think? Is it really sort of just uh she's just jumping on whatever is sort of like popular, right? It's, you know, when she came into uh sort of like I'm trying to remember where when she even sort of like uh started being popular. Was it when she was like 13? She was she
6:57 was she started being a thing in her home community in uh in Stockholm and it was uh she'd go to one of the government bodies and protest outside. And I think because she was a young thinker, I think what she latched on to was that emotion was very powerful. And so the idea of this young child telling all us hypocrites uh that uh you know how dare we uh destroy the pristine environment uh and and and thereby threaten her. And remember I mean the one the one speech that she gave that ended up going viral was how her her youth was stolen from her. It was stolen from her and it was just absurd hyperbole but very emotional and that landed undeservedly but it
7:44 landed and I think she's been running with it ever since. So she finds the buttons and she presses them and with that smug like in a in a different world I think she'd be a nun. Um, so she hearkens back to that that smug emotional envious push that you got to sacrifice. You are the nasty hypocrite. You're the one living high on the hog and this is how it ought to be. Uh, and I'm going to call you on it. Because she exploits the fact that the West does not defend its virtues. I mean, who other than objectivists name and defend its virtue its virtue uh virtues on explicit terms? Very few. So, so she gets away
8:31 with a lot more than she should. And and because she successfully hit that nerve, she's been this force ever since. But again, if you if you if you you peel back the emotional appeals, there's no substance there. And I I I'd be embarrassed if that was my child just speaking so ridiculously on anything. And so she never got the the the redirection like well there are facts that you might want to consider and there you know I mean just how about what is your ship going to achieve once it lands in Gaza? You're going to hand out some food. Okay. How are you going to end the war? You you've put a band-aid on a situation. you prevented,
9:16 you know, people having to scourge for a meal in the face of a conflict. Thank you. But how how does that break Hamas back so it never threatens the peaceful again? How does that eliminate uh the horrific brainwashing of a population in favor of just vile Jew hatred? Nothing more. I mean, it's it's really naked and base. How how are you solving any of those problems? Are you going to tell Israel to stop? How's Israel then gonna respond the next slaughter? So, I mean, it it's just absurd. And yet, you know, here we are having to to deal with this this this product of a vile ideology having its way on our culture. It's very disturbing.
10:02 Uh, somebody's asking where uh Greta is uh right now. I'll put the link uh in the chat. Uh, basically they are tracking themselves so you can uh follow it live where exactly they are. Uh they are about halfway or sort of like a third of way to cit. Um so basically in in the middle of nowhere and they are posting everything on social media so you can also follow them if you like to see the nice sunsets and uh sun uh sunrises over the horizon. Sure. Um uh but yeah, sort of like uh uh separate I mean you said something interesting about sort of like how she Yeah, she really does exploit our morality because this is what uh we sort of now have accepted in the west, right? We all accept altruist morality, but we all
10:47 also accept that this is no not a way to live by. It's a horrible way to live, right? And in this regard, she kind of reminds me of Mother Teresa, right? Mother Teresa, she's the pinnacle of morality, but nobody wants to live like her. And uh in the same way, we all agree, everybody agrees with Greta, right? Everybody agrees when it comes to I mean both the Palestinian issues and the uh the environmentalism, right? We all uh uh sort of and by we we of course mean besides objectivist and sort of like few uh uh sort of like uh better people, but general public agrees with everything he says, everything she says. we just disagree with uh we just do not want to live uh uh in that regard. Um we're the hypocrites. She's the
11:34 consistent one because she's and so and because the mass of the culture believes that we're hypocrites, that's what gives her traction. And uh so it's the classic case of she's she's observed that hypocrisy and run with it. And even though she doesn't pack much bandwidth in terms of an intellectual argument that you could, you know, look at and unpack and say, "All right, you got a grain of truth here and seven things wrong over there." No, I mean, there's nothing other than her very smug emotional appeals and and and I guess it also shows how bad our opponents are because that she's resonated and become their poster child. I mean, what let's imagine that that that the our opponents were better. What would they argue?
12:19 Well, they would argue facts. They would argue that there's this thing that you have to take into account. There's that thing that you have to take in account, and if you don't, some bad things happen. So, it'll cost you if you fail to heed our warnings, whatever they may be. But that would be a a logical, rational argument. She doesn't offer that at all. It's again, you stole my childhood. How dare you? And and again, what what is her defense of Hamas? I mean, she whitewashes it tacitly, but she's not saying, hey, you guys don't understand Hamas. you guys aren't seeing it, right? You know, you don't understand that they're just trying to do this and they're just trying to do that and this is all the natural outflow. Uh I mean, maybe she does, but I haven't seen it. It's this stunt and it's a stupid stunt at that. Yeah. I want to go to the uh uh uh a bit later
13:04 the Freedom Flotillaas, they have a website and they have their goals which I think are kind of interesting. Uh but I want to go to the video that Greta published. Before that, er, uh, anything to add before we watch the video? I just think I don't I don't remember if I said it, but uh, I wrote it down for me before the show. I wrote it. Greta is a symbol of the world becoming ever more insane. Uh, and she's a symbol because she is the emotionalism and tribalism in one person. like she's the poster child of of people just teaching reason. Yeah. Uh I'm I'm looking at their
13:50 website now. I got to say it's like oh my goodness. Uh all right, let's uh let's uh watch the video. Hello. I am currently standing on the Medaline, the ship that um on Sunday, June 1st, uh will attempt uh to again uh sail towards Gaza and to try to break the siege and open up a humanitarian corridor by delivering aid like food and medical supplies. Okay, so I want to stop uh already here to uh comment uh on a few things. There's like two separate things that are uh going on, right? Uh she's talking about opening humanitarian corridor. That's open. Israel is giving
14:37 out aid. Israel has been giving out aid the whole time. Israel has been besides uh sort of like a few weeks throughout the 600 days it has been uh allowing humanitarian aid or uh straight up giving out aid this whole time. So again, this idea that there isn't uh enough humanitarian aid is simply like ridiculous, right? And you know, Nicholas, you talked about sort of like arguing uh the points, but it's never about it. It there is no enough humanitarian aid Israel could give. There's always going to be that there's no enough. There's always as long as Israel has any control over it, it's never going to be uh good enough. And sort of separately like breaking the siege. Uh I I mean to go uh I'll go to
15:22 you on on this. What do you make of like this breaking the siege? Well, one sort of like what do you think uh Israel will do uh when it comes to this if this uh will uh continue if the ship will go uh further? But also it's important to remember if this is actually uh sort of give this would be giving out aid this is helping the enemy. Israel should Israel shouldn't allow any sort of like if during World War II there was like a ship going from what was like a neutral country during World War II. I don't know like sure Switzerland like sending aid to like Nazi Germany or uh uh Japan and saying well this is just humanitarian corridor we're just sending out aid. No you should shut it down. You don't allow
16:10 this uh aid to go in. You don't allow somebody supporting your enemy. So yeah, I mean to go to you uh what what do you make of both sort of like what she's saying and what do you think Israel response will be? I think of course she has no right uh to come to Gaza. Uh this is currently a war zone. Uh basically this uh this is just an act against Israel. And I think about Israel's interest because if Greta arrives at Gaza, she can be kidnapped by, I don't know, the communist fraction of the the popular front for Palestine or for from Islam Jihad or whatever. Or she can be used as a human shield. Uh and then
16:57 we're screwed because if something happens to Greta, you know, the whole world is going to blame Israel. So that's that's like a very risk a huge risk for Israeli interest. Uh what Israel should do? I think Israel should should arrest her on international water. She should should just send the Navy to arrest her on international water and just turn her into I don't know where. Uh but this is like the only option for us. Uh since they're already on their way. Uh and this is just absurd. This is just completely the as I said the world has gone crazy. Yeah, Nicholas, what do you make of u Yeah, both the sort of opening humanitarian corridor argument and you know saying that we are breaking the
17:43 siege. Well, I I would disagree with her argument from the outset. There's no crisis in Gaza say for what Hamas imposes. So anywhere that Hamas does not control has free uh a movement of uh materials that uh the civilian population need to uh survive. But the way that Hamas has entrenched itself, the way that it continues to operate, the way it embeds it embeds itself in Syria in uh uh civilian areas causes the very conditions that Thurberg is laying on the the feet of Israel, which is of course horrifically unjust. In terms of the blockade, I think Israel is is is absolutely right to declare a blockade and enforce it. And I I would just enforce it as simply as turning the ship
18:30 back. I mean, the ship will not be allowed to pass. And if you got to bang into it in order to effectuate that, let it be. But because of the nature of the conflict, Israel has a complete rational interest in seeing how aid and supplies get to the people of Hamas. So, they're not in or get to the people of of Gaza, the innocent civilians, so-called innocent civilians, because that's a a a tough one to analyze in a situation where the population so strongly supports uh uh the horrors imposed by de Hamas. Uh but I would argue that, you know, any line of communication has to be examined and vetted so it's
19:16 not allowing Hamas to continue to function. Gaza will be much better when Hamas folds. And we want everything in our power to support that goal, which means making sure that Hamas fighters are not fed. So if the fuel that they're using right now is civilian aid, then we have to very care or Israel has to very carefully analyze exactly how aid is being dispersed in Gaza so you don't have that in inadvertent uh benefit to Hamas. So, but but but Thurberg just negates all that thought, all that problem. She she she doesn't address anything about October 7th. She doesn't address the horrific slaughter. She doesn't address the philosophy that
20:02 the Gazins have embraced that perpetuate this violence. And and she look, you know, it's it's like this very myopic, oh, but I want to bring aid to the civilians. Well, again, you know what? Why is this even an open question? Why are we even worried about the civilians? Because Hamas is embedded with them, terrorizing them and Israel simultaneously. And and and like a classic horrific evader, she ignores all that information and just comes in with this stupid stunt and and and we have to suffer through it, if that makes sense. Yeah. I mean there's this continuous uh I I mean even sort of like saying they just want to help those people is like giving them benefit of of the doubt which I I don't think they deserve right
20:48 like the goal of this this is not about the Palestinian people or or well it kind of is it's not about the welfare of the Palestinian people it's about Israel it's about the fact that Israel for them is a legitimate regime and they will do whatever they can to sort of delegitim mize it. So like said, right, once you start this, once you do something like this, you are putting Israel into sort of uh impossible situation because of our morality because we sort of believe that, you know, as as long as you don't have any weapons on hand and go to break a blockade or go to do something that you're not supposed to do or or in the west, right, like block streets or anything as long as you don't have
21:34 weapons in hand, somehow this is like adjusting thing. Somehow this is like a moral thing or like an acceptable uh thing to do. Uh which is never the case. Uh we I wonder if they even made an attempt have they even her her organization or whatever this group is has it even attempted to uh contact Israel in order to secure safe passage if they wanted to uh uh honestly provide aid to the innocents of the war. And I would probably guess that they haven't and probably because their terms would be utterly un unacceptable to Israel for the very reasons that we discussed just a moment ago. So I mean again this is this is the classic spectacle farce that is so indicative of that part of uh our our culture today.
22:22 And I I I think we have to identify exactly what animates it. And that's a truly vicious hatred for Israel. And what's the only thing that explains that history hatred for Israel? Hatred of their success, hatred of their freedom and the worship of its polar negative, which would be Hamas. And it's obscene because, you know, if if if Thurberg lived in the Palestinian uh controlled in Gaza in Hamas controlled areas, she'd be an utter subject to their every whim and, you know, forced to veil and and and and everything else. But she looks at Israel and she finds them as the problem. And it's just such a stunning moral aversion. Uh it really shocks the conscious. Yet it's rampant.
23:09 It's rampant. It's rampant among the youth. And you know, it's rampant on the universities of Colombia and and and and Harvard and and and whatnot. And and again, you have to ask yourself, what is it that we're doing that leads to this horrific breach of morality? And uh I would argue that it's the same thing that she exploited with environmentalism. We we we the culture at large bunch of hypocrites. They live one way, preach another. She calls out the hypocrisy and that's how she uh gets her claim to fame. Yeah. I mean it will be interesting if they coordinate it. We we've already seen in the past that uh that nothing Israel can do is good
23:57 enough, right? And that that is what Yeah. Yeah. This is obviously a provocation and a publicity stunt that of course it's not like this is not about oh we have to deliver this aid to the Palestinians as and as we know right now not that I'm a huge supporter of that but Israel is currently providing food and whatever the Palestinian needs anyway and I have a I wrote up something quite long I don't know if we have the time but I'll go for it and it goes like this so I think it is wrong to look at the Palestinians as Palestinians. And I'll I'll explain. So when we call those people Palestinians, it implies they are either a nation or an ethnic group or
24:42 something like that. But they're not. It's the people that are mostly just, you know, of Arab ethnicity. They're Egyptians, Syrians, Jordan, Lebanese or or whatever. And by the way, that's also their names. They're called El Maseri or whatever Zaitonia. They're named based on the place or the Camula or the tribe or the family. So the question is what is a Palestinian? And to explain that I'd like to introduce uh a new concept and I call it Palestineism. Uh what is Palestineism? This is an ideological and political movement and the whole idea of the
25:27 movement is to oppose Zionism. So this is the exact opposite of Zionism in structure and in moral content. So basically when you hear about Palestinians or about pro Palestinians which are the people in the west who support the Palestinians, this is basically the same thing. This is people who are believe or so-called members of this Palestineism movement. Now to understand this movement, let's talk about Zionism. So 140 years ago, a bunch of Jews gathered to create this Zionist movement and they figured out they've recognized the fact that Jews are persecuted around the world. And unfortunately 140 years later today this fact is still present.
26:15 This fact is still a part of our reality unfortunately. So 140 years ago and and to this day basically Zionism is about establishing a safe haven for Jews after centuries of persecution and and this safe haven is a place here in Israel where I currently am. And now let's talk about Palestineism. This is about the opposite. The whole point is about to erase the Jewish state. It's about either killing all the Jews in Israel or throwing them away. And it could be done in war, in propaganda, in moral inversion, in in in making all the war go against Israel, in using the victim card, all sorts of evil ways. This is Palestineism. It's not a movement for Palestinians. It's a movement against
27:02 Jews, particularly in Israel. If Zionism is is is for the life of Jewish people, Palestinianism is for the death of Jewish people. If Zionism is about building a state, Palestineism is about destroying a state. Zionism is based on facts, on historical facts. Palestinianism is based on trying to rewrite history. Palestineism, sorry, Zionism is about defending the Jews. It's about being defensive. Palestinianism is it's about being aggressive. It's about being hostile. And this is and this is I'd like to to shout for Nicholas. It's exactly what you said. This is the hatred for the good for being good. This is an anti-movement. That's what it's
27:47 all about. Now, Palestinianism has a lot of motivations. So, originally it was Islam. uh people based on the Islamic religion wanted to kill the Jews because it's it's how could the Jews come and and claim sovereignty in an Arab land. And then there was the communist Palestinians who wanted to kill all the Jews and throw them away for for reason of I don't know Marxism. And then there was the the Marxist left as I said around the world. And then there was the woke left. And then the what used to be the fringe right but now it's not so fringe which is just like classical anti-semitism and and all of these
28:35 motivations have uh a single core that is the reason for those motivation and that is nihilism and envy and hatred for the good for being good and a hatred for the self. I think the best profile for an anti-semite or anti-Jew or anti-Zionist or a propalestinian is a person who hates himself and he hates everyone else that is successful. The self-hating guy, he sees it as if the successful man is committing a crime against him because he hates himself. So, how could others have values and achieve them? And and when you look at Greta uh she started in the wle in climate
29:24 foss and and the the the essence is the same is nihilism is anti-human anti- values and of course it is branded with emotionalism with fake morality and people see it and their heart gets squishy to see this young girl crying for her future. Uh but this is this is just like makes total sense for me like of course this is the opposite and wicked but just so clear that she would join the the Palestineism movement and give moral sanction to Hamas because that's what her idea is all about are in the first place and and just like the Palestinianism it's a movement of destruction is a movement of opposing jionism this is a motivation to join the flotillaa it's not about delivering aid
30:10 or or helping the Palestinian It's about deleimization deleimizing Israel right to self-defense because they're those people are actually doing something right here in Israel, defending the fighting fight fighting for good, fighting for their life and she must do everything she can to stop people from doing the right thing and and she offers moral cover to Hamas for for being humanitarian. She choose the side of destruction here and you know this this flotilla is is a big bluff just aimed to put Israel in more Trump trouble. I I I agree wholeheartedly. I I I absolutely agree. Uh she's attacking Israel for its virtues. Again, if she was actually concerned about bringing aid to uh uh
30:57 civilians, innocent civilians, non-combatants we'll call them, uh her her activism would look much different. But that's not her shtick. Uh it takes a special kind of person to look at civilization and hate it. And yet that's precisely what she does. And it's just stunning to me and and probably to you guys as well just how much of our culture embraces that view and tolerates it. It makes sense that she got her uh acting chops in the anti-climate movement because again she she never came through and like you know the mind is the ultimate resource. Let's use our minds to solve a uh technical problem. presented by a civilization. No, it was, you know, how dare you and and and any uh
31:42 uh she she takes like the leave no trace camping mantra and turns it into a genocidal program almost if you if you follow it to its uh logical end because again you you you don't have a right to exist. You don't have a right to impact nature. Nature in and of itself is an intrinsic value and you're the blight upon it. So she she takes this really uh astonishing posture, but our culture gives her tremendous cover for it because again it's always the the the you know I wish there wasn't a shopping mall here uh even though you go in that very shopping mall and shop. I wish that uh you know everything was a national park and wilderness. I always like it when it's the wilderness like you can't even go into it. There's a movement in in in in my community where they were
32:29 arguing that there should be parts of the national parks that are nearby that should be forbidden to any human entry because reasons. And you know, I mean, you you could sell me on the parks are a nice place to recreate and maybe we should pull our resources to uh have them in a non-coercive way, but you know, we're going to set aside land that humans are just forbidden to enter is just absurd. And yet this movement exists. She it's it's not I think you're absolutely right. Palestinianism is a good name for it. Uh the if if I were to try and come up with you know what would I name this group it would be people who refuse to allow Israel to exist. And
33:14 that's their cold defining their their their whole sole defining purpose is all we want to do is destroy Israel, even if it means our own destruction. And we're not interested in building anything. We're not interested in turning Gaza into something worth living. We want to destroy Israel. And we'll do anything we can. We'll fight a foolish war that will only uh uh wreak retribution against us. And that's our stick. That was our goal. I mean because I mean why would you why would you carry out October 7th knowing that you are not in a position of strength? You can get away with a stunt, but you can't fight a extended campaign unless you wanted to do this very thing where Israel and fighting for its own right to survive is starving us.
34:02 And this is unfair and we must therefore enjoin Israel. And and she's the useful idiot that uh gives Hamas the uh uh spotlight it needs in order to carry out that argument. and it's vicious and vile and you don't see a whole lot of people naming it for what it is. And the Trump's visit to the Middle East uh earlier this month where he's saying it was wrong of the United States to impose itself on the uh uh dictatorships of Afghanistan and Iraq and we'll never do that again. You have a wonderful culture. Well, why is it wonderful? What about it is wonderful? He doesn't say. He just throws the bromite out there. And I it was stunning and it was the
34:48 exact opposite that that part of the world needed to hear. They should have been any support that you give to Hamas is wicked and vile. And the sooner you withdraw that support, the better we'll be and the sooner we'll have peace. But, you know, he didn't make that and it was a huge missed opportunity. Instead, he pandered to him and got a jet in the process. So yeah, it it's astonishing to me and I'm sure it is to you guys as well. Yeah, I want to comment on the idea of Palestin Palestinianism or uh whatever we want to call it. Uh but first we have a super chat from Gail. Thank you so much. Super chat from Jonathan. Thank you so much. And a super chat from Christian. Thank you so much. He says, "The Doom Goblin is sailing to Gaza to meet the merchants of death. cheered by useful idiots and
35:35 her Marxist parents that Fotillaa should be stopped by the Israeli uh marine. Uh I mean I'm sure uh it will we will know about it in next uh hopefully very soon but at the latest at the next few days I I think it only should take about like three or four days for them to get to uh Gaza. Uh but uh yeah I mean uh oh we have one more super chat from Jonathan. Thank you so much. Uh I I mean what's really interesting about this idea of Palestinian, right? It's uh you never see any diversity of opinions when it comes to Palestinians, you never have like a Palestinian who is like pro-Israeli is like, "Oh, I'm Palestinian, but yeah, I want Israel to reassert itself in Gaza lives more than three days." Yeah, exactly.
36:21 No, but even like in the west, right, we have our Palestinian representatives uh uh in the uh in the in the house, and it's not like any of them are uh well, we have one uh it's not like she is, you know, this like pro-Israeli. She is the most like pro- Hamas. She's the most pro Palestinian or so-called like pro Palestinian person out there. And when you sort of uh look at the way uh the Palestinians have been treated uh um is it's clear that the only goal is you know I that's why I say that you know people who call for wiping out of Israel are calling for genocide of Palestinians because once Israel gets wiped out there are no Palestinians. There is no concept
37:07 of Palestinian. It doesn't mean anything. the only uh sort of meaning Palestinians have always had is as a sort of resistance to Israel because look at everything uh that happened, right? Did they establish a state after uh after the the war of independence? No, because there was no reason to. Uh did they try to resettle the refugees at any point? No, because we need them to stay here to fight against Israel forever. Was there ever attempt to uh and we create this special organization to sort of like uh handle them uh separately? What is the most whenever there is a sort of like talk about uh uh you know two-state solution? What is like the the the issue that Palestinians will never put away the right to return
37:53 the in everybody has to come back. Everybody has to come back. So even if there is a state they can destroy destroy it from within. So basically, you just get so many people in that the Jewish people no longer have majority. And we've seen what the Palestinians have been doing when there is a border between them. Imagine what will happen when there is no border sort of like separating uh uh them. So yeah, you have uh uh everything that has been ever set up uh uh by Palestinians or by the international world for the Palestinians has been to fight Israel. It's never been about uh sort of Yeah, there's another important point. Uh and I think Nicholas uh you sort of alluded to it. It's never about building something, right? When is when the Palestinians got
38:42 all of Gaza, you can do whatever they want. You could have turned it into Hong Kong, you could you Singapore, any you could have made it a tax-free zone and had so much investment there. You could have turned it into the, you know, the jewel of the Mediterranean. And they did not. And and why? Because I think as you you you were saying they're blinded by their hatred of Jews and yeah I like I've been there is a museum in Jerusalem called the Gushkatif Museum uh which uh sort of uh talks about when there were Israeli settlements inside of Gaza and uh also sort of what happened with the disengagement and what did Palestinians do with the industry that was left by uh by the Jewish people. Did they adapt it? Did they make use of it? They destroyed
39:29 all of it. It's never about like any productivity. It's never about building something, right? It's always about simply getting rid of. What happened to all the synagogues in Gaza? They were all destroyed besides I I think one which they turned into like a chicken coupe. Be they were supposed to and you and even what was originally uh supposed to be the plan, Israel was supposed to destroy those synagogues be before leaving. I mean, you know, the it's such a ridiculous scenario the fact that uh and I always make this point that there's never any demands of Palestinians. There's never any demands of them to build something, to become something. It's always the oppressor. It's always No, it's Israel that is at fault here. Uh I I mean, look at the UN
40:16 special reporter to the occupied territories, right? It's not about going into the Palestinian territories and reporting on the uh uh the violation of uh so-called human rights by the Palestinian authority. No, it's by specifically Israel. Uh I mean, yeah, I'm somebody who's, you know, watching this from sort of like outside. Uh I've been sort of like always supportive of Israel and always following Israel. Uh but started more after October 7. for me like the whole the world opinion is like insane how I cannot even imagine like actually being Israeli and you know looking at uh how the world sort of looks at this whole situation
41:04 uh it's uh you're used to it you you get used to it uh and also this is a I think problem with the Jewish mentality because For thousands of years, Jews has been under the custody of a of a foreign ruler. And as such, Jews were always trying to to make the ruler happy with them. So he wouldn't massacre them or put them as enslave them or or do whatever. So it's always about trying to Jews were always trying to make the world love them. And then this is a part of like, you know, Jewish people inner conflict. Now that we have a state and we take care of ourselves and we get all of this hatred and and you know our neighbors trying to destroy us and our friends at the west
41:50 are like very critical of us and uh you know the Israelis are just trying to you know calm everyone down and and I think this is a mistake. I think we should have been way stronger, way more strict. No, not giving up anything. And then we and in in a way, in a sense, Israelis knew what they're doing. And there are indications and evidence that the Israelis knew that they're doing insane things by giving up Gaza for the Palestinians. And I think the most striking evidence is that the Israeli government evacuated all the graves of Jews in Gaza before leaving Gaza because they figured figured that the followers of
42:36 Palestinianism, as I said earlier, would just bury out the graves and and and just like, you know, mutilate the bodies or or do whatever to like, you know, try to humiliate the dead. Erh so to prevent that they took away the graves. Now you you don't give a piece of land to such people that you are afraid to let them uh leave above your graves. I can't even leave the dead alone, right? You Yeah, exactly. So like how how can you how can you do such thing? and and like if we were if we were not to leave Gaza, if we were to establish a true uh re-education program to eradicate Palestineism, uh to kill this idea could have been way better because
43:21 there as of now there are two million Arabs live in Israel. H some of them by the way they find themselves Palestinians, some of them not which is actually another evidence for my case for Palestinianism. This is not an ethnical group. This is an ideology. And there are Arabs in Israel who don't hold this ideology. And they they live and they cooperate with the society and there are great people here. And there are people who define theelves Palestinians and they do crimes and terror and whatever. So, so we we could have we could have stand up for oursel and now we're paying the price for not doing that. And of course the the fault is on on on Palestinianism. fault is on Hamas and all of those other Palestinians who do whatever they
44:07 can to try to kill us and destroy us. But this is also like I I also very like upset with the way we dealt with it because we could have prevent this. We could have not give this monster so much power and territory and and feed them and and take care of their needs and and give them water and gas and whatever so they can use whatever they get from us to try to destroy us over and over again. I I I agree with that. A war poorly thought just perpetuates the violence. It doesn't end it. And the Palestinian Isism cause is is been around for generations. And it it well I I was hoping that after the horrors of October 7th that this would have been the final straw just because the brutality was so transparent and so
44:52 easy to to see that the West would have no choice but to confront it. You know, when you're putting babies in ovens and and and and all manner of brutality that uh was committed that day, you would you would you would hope that, you know, people's love of human life would would would compel them to rise to the occasion. And that would be the demand that Hamas utterly be destroyed and and break the back of the ideology that makes Hamas possible. That it would be discredited and shamed and and and too embarrassed uh to rear its ugly head again. and and horrifically that hasn't happened. So I I I just see more conflict until that happens. You know, you you can destroy Hamas militarily and I think Israel has done a heroic job in
45:39 that regard in large part. But you in order to utterly defeat it, you have to destroy the ide ideology. You have to convince the the people who adhere that ideology to to walk away from it, denounce it, and that they see it as their own ruin. Uh just like the Germans came to realize that Hitler was their own ruin, that the Japanese came to realize that militarism was their own ruin and and renounce those things explicitly, profoundly. Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry. When October 7th happened, um it's truly ridiculous to think that we are more than 600 days in and this is still going on. This is now uh I I I
46:26 think a few weeks ago this turned into longest conflict Israel has ever uh engaged in. Uh Israel was able to beat four neighboring countries in six days uh without like easily and it's dealing with Gaza for like more than 600 days. something that should have been solved in well well if people were animated by the right ideas maybe it would have been but they're not and so it's perpetuating the the horror uh to the threat of Israel's own security. Um, yeah. So, it really shows you the the power of ideas in in human relationships and human conflict because
47:13 there's this reticence to truly assert your own right to live because that's what's really happening here. Israel is is is is blameless in regards to the current conflict. Uh, any transgressions are minor and and and resolved through normal means. Uh so if there's an outlier here or a problem there, you know, there there's a there's a fair and judicial uh just way of solving those problems. The lion's share the argument is just that Palestinian and Hamas don't want Israel to exist. They're willing to slaughter them by the bushel and how dare Israel fight back. And I mean that that that should not be a difficult argument to defeat. Yet it is in our culture.
48:00 And that's the problem and that's where we step in. And when and I think we really need to make it very clear that by every right the Israeli people have a right to live free in their country without threat from either inside or out. And there should be no compromise, zero compromise. How do you compromise on your right to life? You can't. And yet that's constantly what uh the world demands of Israel. And and how many votes have been taken place in the UN where the dictatorships of the world condemn Israel for this thing or that thing. Meanwhile, they subjugate their own people violently and immorally. I mean, it's stunning to me how how how benited our times are. And yet, you
48:47 know, this is what we have to deal with. And so, uh you know, I'll do the pitch today. Like, share, and subscribe if you value this talk because these ideas don't get out by themselves. We need you to help out. So again, uh you know, like, share, and subscribe helps this channel uh grow and uh the people who work so hard uh get the good word out and uh I'm sure these guys are grateful for it. Yeah. And since uh we still have a little bit of time, let's listen to a little bit more of uh of Greta since she's the main topic. Um, the last time we attempted this about a month ago, the boat conscience that we were about to board, uh, just a couple of hours before we were planning to board and set sail, it got bombed twice and all evidence suggests that it
49:33 was Israel who did it. Oh my god. Um, so now we are here in Katana outside of Sicily to try to continue our mission to try again. Um because currently we are watching a systematic starvation of two million people. Um a live stream genocide and the world's silence um is deadly. Um that okay. Oh, I love I love the she's not showing to show you any pictures of them, you know, where the kids are acting out slaughtering Jews. Like I I saw one memory clip where I mean they had a kindergarter acting like it was slitting the throat of his uh Jewish uh uh cosplay partner. It was it was
50:18 horrific. And so she's not showing that. She's showing the poor urchins of Gaza doing their thing. I mean it it it's just stunning. And it's it's it's she lays the blame of the conflict squarely on the feet of Israel. How much evidence do you have to evade in order to do that? Yet she does it and she's not really, you know, being called to account for it. That's what's stunning. Yeah. I mean, you know, she talks about systemic uh or systematic uh starvation and uh oh, I I wanted to make this point easier about sort of like um it's like ask yourself if there is something that Israel could do to sort of like be able
51:04 to justify its existence, right? When it strike strike at Hezbollah with a pager attack, that was the most like discriminate attack that ever happened. That wasn't good enough. Now Israel is distributing aid uh bypassing Hamas. It's going well peep. Well, I don't think this should happen. But if your standard is that Israel should provide aid, it's going like I think really uh great so far. And what was the what was the first thing we saw? People are comparing this to Holocaust because people are in lines waiting for food. So it's the same thing as Holocaust. Uh I mean to ask you uh it's probably uh sort of it's not even really a question but
51:50 is there anything Israel could do when it comes to this to like justify itself uh among the international community? So Greta doesn't call this a genocide. The international community loves Israel when Jews die after October 7th. You know, besides the the woke leftist student dancing on the campuses and blaming Israel, uh the international community was quite sympathetic for Israel. So if you adopt this standard of what should Israel do to if you what's the most important thing is that the international community would love Israel. So the Jews just need to die and there there be love and you know they'll have events memorizing all the Jews of Indrael that
52:35 died and they'll be that shed a a tear or whatever. Uh and I I'm not looking for an exciting uh funeral. I'm looking I don't care if they'll scrutinize me because I'm looking forward to leave and I'm going to fight for that. We have a super chat from the son. Uh thank you so much. Uh so yeah to sort of just uh uh start wrapping up well uh I I should bring again we talked about uh Gaza uh uh flotillaa uh it's specifically Gaza flotillaa coalition uh who sets up uh these things and uh I went on their website to find out what their goals are and uh I just want to read the first thing uh they have like
53:20 it's it's like five paragraphs but I think the first part is pretty interesting. So, the goal is to break Israel's more than 17-year illegal and inhumane blockade of the Gaza Strip, which has not only created an ongoing humanitarian crisis, but has deprived Palestinians in Gaza their right to health, safety. I have to go. There is a missile Iran. Oh, sure. It's been a great time. Oh, be safe. Be safe. Uh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, that Yeah, this is what life is like in Israel, right? I I mean, okay. Okay. I was uh so I was in the Marine Corps during the first Gulf War in the uh uh 1991 and after the war uh uh ended, I got to visit Israel and uh I became
54:07 friendly with a whole family of uh Israelis in Hifa and they were showing me their Scud bunker that they had for when Saddam was launching his Scud missile attacks against Israel and it's his attempt to provoke Israel into the and then you know engender Arab hatred against the whole crusade. And it was just stunning the nonchalants like this was just it was a fact of life. They didn't like it but they lived with it. They accepted it and all for the uh the sin of trying to live free as a Jew. And I was I was really struck by that both you know the heroism and the tragedy of uh life in that country. And again you know walk through the the the communities beautiful communities. I felt very safe and at peace and uh you
54:53 know absolutely loved it. Made great friends when I was there and so you know I I I was very I'm very grateful for the opportunity. most Americans don't get a chance to uh to visit Israel. And I was very grateful for the opportunity to have that. And uh and again, you know, just the the day-to-day horror and challenge that accepted all the same just for the the sin of wanting to be free and live as a Jew and you know, just there you go. Uh you're safe. Yes. I'm in the stairwell hallway. Yeah. I mean, um, so I was reading that, but we can sort of, uh, ignore that. Uh, well, okay, I'll just finish it. Uh, so, uh, humanitarian crisis, but has
55:39 deprived Palestinians in Gaza the right to health, safety, freedom of movement, among other fundamental human rights. Uh, so again, they're talking about sort of like fundamental human rights. Uh, which is sort of like a blown concept. They let's talk about Yavar's fundamental human right to live free of a missile attack and his family and and you know just these indiscriminate stupid attacks that we we hear and shrug off in the west is another day another dollar and yet you know it's it's it's everyday life for Israelis and uh you know where's Greta on her uh maybe we uh shouldn't uh tolerate the bombing of innocent Israelis uh uh blockade or whatever. She's nowhere to be found. So I'm sorry. Al also no mention of Hamas, right? It's all Israel is somehow depriving rights of Yeah. Well, she she
56:26 really doesn't want to mention Hamas because it would be embarrassing to her because that's the reality that she can't confront. Uh she can't whitewash as try as she may by ignoring it. She ultimately cannot whitewash Hamas. She cannot uh differentiate uh its brutality from the facts on the ground. And uh you know, yeah, it's a self-s serving omission. Uh well with that we are running out of time so uh er uh any last thoughts from you and also where can people find or follow you? So I you can find me at the www.pictory.now and read about our movement and book and uh you know sending you a warm regards from uh the hallway.
57:14 Yeah, you stay safe. Uh Nicholas, uh any last thoughts from you and where can people find you? Well, again, thank you for having me as a guest. Uh I have a Substack, uh uh page, so my name on Substack and I'm putting out articles as I can and definitely appreciate you guys hosting the forum and uh having the conversation and you know, very grateful. Again, I encourage people who enjoyed this talk to like, share, and subscribe and help these guys out. Yeah. And uh we have one more super chat from Bonnie. Thank you so much. He's asking, "Does Israel have an official statement about the flotilla?" Uh, so I don't think so, at least last time, uh, I checked. Uh, so uh, nothing so far, but we'll see. Uh, they didn't comment at all on the last Fila even after the
58:01 attack. So, we might not see uh, anything uh, in this regard, but it might be different. We'll have to see. Uh and somebody also said uh the normalization of the Houthi attack in the last few days has been disappointing. And somebody says the missile was intercepted. So that's great to hear. But yeah, the uh uh I still have when I was in Israel, I had my uh red alert, the app for Israelis to basically know when something is coming. And I still have it on and I can like every day pretty much there is a announcement that there is a missile from Yemen coming. So the fact that that is being tolerated again is very disappointing. But uh with that, thank you guys for joining me today. Thank you everybody for watching. We'll be back tomorrow with another episode of the
58:46 Daily Objective and the Reality Show. Until then, bye-bye.
