Proof from 705-715 AD that Maamet/Maamad was how they pronounced MHMD! (And not Muhammad!)

Brief Summary

This video explores the use of the word "Mmed" in 7th and 8th-century Arabic texts, aiming to differentiate it from the name "Muhammad" and its association with the Islamic prophet. The presenter examines historical documents, including a catalog of Arab-Byzantine coins and a bilingual papyrus from 705-715 AD, to analyse the context and meaning of "Mmed" in early Islamic inscriptions. The findings suggest that "Mmed" was used as a title, possibly related to the Messiah, distinct from the later interpretation of Muhammad as the apostle of God.

  • Analysis of historical texts to understand the usage of "Mmed."
  • Examination of a bilingual papyrus from 705-715 AD featuring the word "Mahamemed."
  • Differentiation between the original meaning of "Mmed" and its later interpretation as "apostle of God."

Introduction

The presenter introduces the topic of the video, which aims to find clear examples of the word "Mmed" or "Mmad" being used in the 7th or 8th century by Arabs. The goal is to challenge the assumption that these terms directly refer to the prophet Muhammad, thereby separating the term from its later association with the central figure of Islam. The presenter references a book, "Catalog of the Arab Byzantine and Post-Reform Umaid Coins" by John Walker, available on archive.org, as a source of information.

Historical Background and Papyri

The presenter discusses the historical context, noting that ancient and modern writers often present a confused picture. The focus is on papyri exported from Egypt to Byzantium, which included protocols or official headings in both Greek and Arabic. These headings contained phrases proclaiming Islamic beliefs, such as "there is no god except Allah" and what was later interpreted as "Muhammad was Allah's apostle." The presenter highlights that the Greek equivalent of the Arabic term in question is "mach," and acknowledges that during this period, the Greek equivalent for "apostle" was "apostolos."

Bilingual Papyrus Analysis

The presenter references a bilingual papyrus found in the Egyptian National Library, dating from 705 to 715 AD during the reign of Kaiff Wed. The papyrus includes both Arabic and Greek inscriptions. The Arabic text contains the phrase "Mahamemed," followed by Greek words that translate to "God." The presenter notes that the papyrus also includes the name "Abdullah," meaning "servant of God," and other phrases that are difficult to decipher. The translation of the papyrus includes phrases like "the compassionate and merciful," corresponding to the Arabic words "Rahman" and "Rahim."

Interpretation of "Mahamemed"

The presenter highlights the key term "Mahamemed" in the papyrus, which is translated as "the apostle of God." The presenter expresses a personal view that the original meaning of "Mahamemed" might have been closer to "angel of God," aligning with Abdul Malik's Christology on his coins. However, by the time of Walid, it appears to have been interpreted as "apostle of God." Despite this shift in interpretation, the presenter emphasises that the use of "Mahamemed" is significant, suggesting it was a title related to the Messiah, distinct from the standard Islamic narrative of Muhammad.

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0:00 Hi everyone and welcome back. Um, it would be really useful if we could get a really clear example that Arabs were using the word Mmed or Mmad in either the seventh or 8th century just to disprove the idea that they were saying Muhammad so that we can uh separate it from the the Arab prophet as it were. Um, I was looking at this book here which you can have a look at yourself. It's on archive.org. It's the catalog of the Arab Byzantine and postreform you made coins by it's actually says John Walder but it's

0:46 actually John Walker. Um, and if you go into the introductory part which is on page 54 of the introduction. If we zoom in here, this is the bit that's of interest. Um, it's kind of a mixed bag because um, he largely because it's written in 1950s, he largely goes along with the sin. Sometimes he reveals things um, as well though. Um, okay. So, we're going to zero in to this bit here. The historical background is confused in

1:32 both ancient and modern writers, but it would appear in outline to have been this. On the papyrie exported to Baoantium from Egypt, then in Muslim hands, the protocols or official headings written on them to guarantee their authenticity came to be written not only in Greek but also in Arabic with phrases proclaiming Israelia that Muhammad was Allah's apostle. Now you notice he's inserting Muhammad there. Uh he's gone a little bit far. Was Allah's apostle and that there was no god except Allah. So they have the Greek equivalent to the Arabic. Okay. So here we have the if it would allow me, it's

2:18 not going to allow me. But this word here is actually without vocalization, but the Greek equivalent is mach. Okay. Now, I have to admit when I'm being contradicted, but at least in this period when this papyra was produced um or papyrus, the the Greek equivalent was as you'd find today, apostle. Aposttolo there in Greek, aposto. Okay. Apostle of God. Um now I was curious to know when this papyrie was exported to um Baantium. It doesn't actually give us

3:07 any reference to it in the notes that goes with it. So I had to go dig in and I found the one which I believe it is connected to. So here it is. Uh you can find it on Islamic awareness and healthfully we've got a date for it. 705 to 77 715 AD which would be during the reign of Kaiff Wed. Okay. Um it's a bilingual papyrus of a protocol and it's found in the Egyptian National Library. Okay. So there is the main part. Uh it's very hard to make out uh but it's helpfully transcribed here

3:55 and we can see here clearly Mahamemed a stalos deos. Okay. Uh this here is uh it's quite hard to to make up it. Ein deos e me o deos monos. Okay, that's the best I can do guys. Um now it says here Abdullah with the name servant of God Abdullah and this here which is Aloy uh it's hard to make out uh

4:42 Alos Leah something like that also Leah. Uh let's go down underneath to get a better idea of it. Okay. So 705 to 717. Um and here is the translation of it. Uh the the parts in in square brackets is basically the presumed missing words. Okay. So we can take that bit with a pinch of salt as an educated guess. Um um but given the context there, it kind of it kind of works there. the compassionate and and merciful. That would be Rahi. Let me just see if we can spot it there.

5:30 It's probably Rakman Rakmane. Um there in verse three. Okay. Um it looks like it there. Yeah. So there we have it. uh l rakman and rakmaneim. There's the there's those two words in Arabic. All right. Um there is no god but god alone. And it key thing here is makmmed. Now it's translated as the apostle of god. Um, so it's a kind of step back for me

6:18 in a sense. I I think the the original meaning was angel of God. Um, but by the time of W, I'll have to assume it it was interpreted as apostle of God. But I think the original meaning if we if we look at Abdul Malik's overall Christologology on his coin, that's the sense that's coming across. Um but it it got this sense got conveyed apostle of God. Okay. But in any case, we have a step forward here. Mameth is the word that is being used um which fits in with what we've been saying about it being a title to do with the Messiah and it is not the Muhammad of

7:04 the standard Islamic narrative. So that's it. Thank you for watching. See you all very soon. Bye-bye.

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