THE TRAINING SYSTEM OF JESUS (2) - DR DAVID OGBUELI

Brief Summary

This video discusses the importance of "fishing with nets" rather than "fishing with a hook" in the context of evangelism and discipleship. It emphasises reaching entire families, social networks, organisations, and communities instead of focusing on individual conversions. The speaker encourages believers to use their existing relationships and social capital to spread the Gospel and make disciples. The video also touches on the need for the church to adapt its strategies to be persecution-resistant and effective in the last days, advocating for small group ministry and multiple church planting.

  • Focus on "fishing with nets" to reach entire groups of people.
  • Use existing relationships and social networks to spread the Gospel.
  • The church needs to adapt to be persecution-resistant.
  • Small group ministry and multiple church planting are key strategies.

Fishing with Nets vs. Fishing with Hook

The speaker introduces the concept of "fishing with nets" as a more effective method of evangelism compared to "fishing with a hook." He references Luke chapter 5, where Jesus instructs Simon to let down his net for a draught. Fishing with a hook only catches one fish at a time, while using nets allows for the collection of a whole school of fish. The speaker argues that the church has been primarily using the "hook" method, focusing on individual conversions, which is insufficient for winning cities and nations for Christ.

The Meaning of "Nets"

The speaker explains that "nets" represent several key strategies: reaching people in families, social networks, and organisations. Instead of extracting one person, believers should use that individual to reach their entire family, fraternity, club, bank, or company. The goal is to turn each convert into a "harvester" rather than just a "sitter" in the church. Examples from the New Testament, such as the woman of Samaria and Zacchaeus, are used to illustrate how individual conversions can lead to the salvation of entire communities.

Practical Examples and Applications

The speaker provides practical examples of how to apply the "nets" strategy. He encourages believers to use events like naming ceremonies, child dedications, housewarmings, and birthdays as opportunities for evangelism. The key is to connect everything to the mission of Christ, inviting friends and social networks to these events and sharing the Gospel. The speaker also highlights examples from the New Testament, such as Cornelius, the Roman jailer, Levi (Matthew), Noah, Joshua, Rahab and Lot, where entire households and communities were saved as a result of reaching key individuals.

The Importance of Family and Community

The speaker emphasises that salvation is a family and community affair. He shares his personal experience of leading his entire nuclear and extended family to Christ. The Gospel is meant for families, cities, and nations, and believers should strive to disciple entire communities. He references the stories of Zacchaeus and Levi (Matthew) to illustrate how Jesus focused on reaching entire households and social circles, not just individuals.

Taking Charge in Your Sphere of Influence

The speaker challenges those who are already saved to take charge in their companies, offices, workplaces, and schools. He argues that believers are saved to bring their entire network to Christ, discipling everyone in their sphere of influence, including their bosses. He stresses that bosses have an even greater responsibility to disciple their entire organisation.

Old Testament Examples and the Family Business of God

The speaker uses Old Testament examples like Noah, Joshua, Abraham, Rahab, and Lot to further illustrate God's focus on saving families and communities. He emphasises that God is in the "family business" and is interested in saving entire groups, cities, and communities. He encourages listeners to break down old paradigms and traditions that limit their understanding of the Gospel.

Multiple Church Planting and Drastic Action

The speaker introduces the concept of multiple church planting and saturation, advocating for small groups and cells rather than just one large mega-church. He calls for a drastic action from the church, urging believers to open their houses and start cells in their communities. He criticises the division of the church into separate evangelism and prayer groups, arguing that evangelism should be a joint co-mission and responsibility of every believer.

90-Day Challenge and Modelling Evangelism

The speaker issues a 90-day challenge, encouraging leaders to model evangelism by taking the whole church out in groups of two or three every Saturday or Sunday. He suggests covering every street and corner of the city, taking food and clothes to those in need. The goal is to create a new culture and habit of evangelism within the church.

Strategic Intentionality and Influencers

The speaker highlights the importance of strategic intentionality in evangelism, referencing the example of the Church Missionary Society in Onitsha, Nigeria, which partnered with influential figures to spread the Gospel. He encourages believers to target influencers in society, such as kings, presidents, generals, family heads, and community leaders, and to pray for them. However, he cautions against exclusively targeting people in authority, emphasising the need to be open to whomever God is opening doors to, even if it's a maid or a commoner.

Balancing Authority and Humility

The speaker stresses the importance of balancing the pursuit of influential figures with humility and openness to God's leading. He cautions against exclusively targeting billionaires or kings, emphasising the need to watch out for the "man of peace" whom God has opened their heart to and who is ready to help connect others.

The Urgency of the Times and Last Days Church

The speaker emphasises the urgency of the times, reminding listeners that "night is coming when no one can work." He references the lockdowns experienced in Nigeria and other countries, highlighting the importance of small groups and discipleship in maintaining the church during times of crisis. He argues that the sun is setting and night is coming, and believers need to be ready to be the last day's church.

Persecution-Resistant Church and God's Endgame

The speaker calls for the building of a last days persecution-resistant church that can survive and thrive even in the midst of strong persecution. He highlights that the early church survived through small groups meeting from house to house. He concludes by stating that discipleship-making movement and small group strategy is God's end-time game and endgame.

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0:05 amen we're back to what we are discussing the jesus training program i can't thank you enough sir you know fishing with nets versus fishing with hook did you remember the scripture he read for us on luke chapter five then he asked that a powerful question when you fish with hook how many people do you catch how many fish you catch at the time one that's what we've been taught and that's what the few of us are even doing are doing

0:52 jesus taught his disciples a different model even may have to go to abuja we have to redo this training do you know that the whole country can be saved by just these people that are here present and commenting we're not talking about the millions watching by different types of technology both live television and so on what do we do when we fish with hook you

1:39 put a hook in you extract one fish where there are so many sometimes they're in a school of fish and there are thousands and millions of them you just extract one put it to your boat and sometimes hold you know a whole day of fishing you might get two or three and you're happy you go home and go and eat when you control the net and collect the whole school or at least half of it and so we are learning that fishing with nets put up that scripture what did jesus tell simon i remember the last time you were talking you said look at the instructions lay down your

2:24 net where is it take it go down to the verse verse 4 first he said launch out into the deep let down your neck sprout for a drought let's see what peter did verse 5 simon answered and said unto him master we have toyed all night and have taken nothing because of the strategy is not nevertheless at thy word i will let down the net what did jesus say next what did peter do next and peter is even good because he's using names and many of us are using hook

3:11 at least we can we can learn something from peter he used nets but what jesus said is nets nets to win cities to win nations to win communities nets he said i will let down the net and because of this mistake versus said and when they had done this they include a great multitude of fishes their net because it's only net he let them started breaking net can carry this net is not enough so let's not even talk about hook because one-on-one evangelist is only picking one one person out

4:00 even if you give us another 1000 years we can finish winning the world nets next this is jesus school he gave us an assignment he gave us a strategy how to get it done as far as i'm concerned you and every other person that bear this message is the most important person right now in the body of christ anybody that does not understand discipleship and the strategy of jesus the mission of jesus and the strategy of jesus i'm sorry the judgment seat of christ will be tough for you next yes okay what are nets number one we learn uh

4:47 it means up to three different things but i'm just going to mention to you so that we can move on and then we're going to discuss it number one it means reaching people in families don't just extract one person yes when one person gives his life use that person to enter and win the whole family yes reaching people in social network one person in fraternity gives it like use him to reach all the fraternity members one person in a club uses like using to reach the whole club members now the club might not invite you but let that person through a part and invite the club members yes and they preach yes going after organizations whole organization one bank account you will reach him using to reach all the people in that

5:32 bank one one man in insurance using to reach all the people there one policeman use him to reach all the policemen everybody that is one turn him to a key a harvester don't turn him to his seat a sitter by who comes and sit down in the church rich whole cities whole communities using the one person or the few people that face that's the key it's not that we are against personal evangelism but the individual winning individual is a key to winning a whole community you don't just extract an individual and stop

6:18 and so that's where there were a number of examples given for example let's mention some fast examples from the new testament he started with the woman of samaria when jesus reached that woman who was a kid he sent her out immediately after and all the men of the city came because of one woman you know you know what we do we keep that woman in church for 10 years meanwhile new believers newcomers are the best winners yes sir yes sir yes sir we keep them to they have we have killed the ezekiel their passion killed everything look at zacchaeus zacchaeus was a tax

7:06 collector a republican the moment jesus reached zacchaeus he said i'm coming to your house and please put it off let's see what when he taught him the man went and drew a party and brought all the publicans so if they can invite you to the organization use the man outside to set up something that would bring everybody there their naming ceremony their child dedication yeah don't waste nothing these are no more time to do ceremony everything must have a purpose it must be connected to a mission barrier must be crusade everything all these things you are dedicating your country to crusade invite all your friends you are doing housewarming crusade use it to reach all your social

7:52 if you don't know what to do bring jesus bring somebody who can enjoy this christ don't do things like unbelievers who have no who don't who are blind everything your birthday tell that man when is your birthday he says two weeks oh yeah you're going to you know all your friends you are an armed robber all your armed robber friends invite them for your bad day and then you guys can take up fires and pray for them and then that day yes i was watching a wedding ceremony i think the man is coming to a new guy that is today or something do you say i was he sent me a clip his wedding turned to a revival meeting some of you will be saying no no i have important guests yeah i have important visitors

8:38 i'm not going to allow them mess up my wedding no no no no no no the guy did not care no wonder god uses him the way he uses it before we know the whole altar where where do you know go after whole families go after social networks go after companies organizations go after even a whole church if you reach the pastor and he opens the door come and disciple if he you know because there are a lot of churches that need help yes if he is not the main thing if he's here you department let the fire enter from there you catch one student win the whole

9:24 faculty win use him and win the whole hostel use him and win the whole fraternity or sorority yes you catch one teenager use him and win the whole secondary school way or you win the whole jump jump bite or gce or whatever group that they belong to once you reach a first question you want to know their social network who are there and that is the next thing you see now if you don't do this you're not following the jesus mother did you notice the issue of cornelius peter and cornelius what happened it was the whole house a church started right there immediately there was a case of the roman jello you

10:11 know they put paul in prison they casted our devil they put them in prison paul and silas and then paul and silas prayed and sang and god descended that night that man fell down and said sir what must i do to be saved so if it is us if it asks what acts of the system if it is us you know what you say and the keeper of the prison are working out of seeing the prison door open he drew out salt to kill himself and supposing that the prisoners had to escape because god intervened broke there but paul did not escape he wants to win some souls and he's the man that beat him up that he wants to win now and paul cried out with a loud voice saying dude i said no harm for we are here we're not

10:57 running then he called for light and sprang in and came trembling and fell down before paul and silas verstappen and brought them out and said sir what must i do to be safe everyone say eye but because these men are trained they didn't just go for him alone look at what they answered him they said believe in the lord jesus you shall be saved you and your you and you are salvation is a family thing if any member of your family go to hell there is something you did not understand i was the first to give my life to christ not just in my nuclear family my living with my father mother and my but in the

11:42 whole extended family there was nothing like this but next in everybody including my father my mother yes they persecuted me initially but now everybody and then the whole extended family and then we decided to take it to the whole community the gospel is for families for cities for nations go make disciples of nations so how are nations to be discipled how are communities to be disciplined you have seen now

12:31 i want to see that zacchaeus case a case study is on is it luke chapter 19 or something when jesus saw him he said to him zacchaeus make his come down for today i must abide in your house why don't you just lead him to christ why are you interested in his family friends and he made his and came down and receiving joyfully then verse six and when they saw it they all moment that he was going to be guests with a man that is a synagogue now now show me the one about levi or

13:18 matthew he went to tax collector's office this one is the man's family that was saved here i'm looking for the one that decided to reach the whole task collectors his name is levi his other name is matthew go there he went to touch collector's office and saw liver i said follow me and he started following christ he now taught him this so the guy went to his house and threw a party and invited all those collectors it was by saul levi the son of our foster sitting at the receipt of custom he said to him follow me and he arrows and follow followed let me see verse 15 whether this is the right one it came to

14:04 pass as jesus sat at meat in his house why are they always interested in their house their family why don't you just win the man he becomes church member he why is he always good if the gospel was rich the family reached the hole why this we've been missing this as he went to his house there was a party now sat at me many publicans and sinners sat also together with jesus and his disciples for there were many and they would follow that's how one man was used to reach the whole cycle of friend and social network where he

14:50 belonged this is a revolutionary concept that if we get it this committing ends in cannot be the same saudis cannot be the same again nigeria cannot be the same and then if you are the man that is already saved that have met christ in your company in your office in your workplace in your school what are you doing you think they saved you so that you can be in a special club is for you to bring that whole network the whole school the whole company take charge to them right there put it

15:38 right in their midst disciple everybody there including your boss and if you are the boss your own case is even more serious because it's easy for you to disciple the whole organization and you are there wasting the opportunity god gave you [Music] let's talk about this don't talk did you notice everywhere if you go to old testament noah enter the act did he leave his family behind no sir when joshua was talking he said you guys can choose who you serve but as for me and my house nobody abraham he said abraham and you are seed your descendants

16:23 you got to rehab the harlots you remember the spies were sent by joshua into canaan and that woman gave them hospitality what did they tell her they told the woman they didn't say you have treated us well you are going to be saved when the city of jericho will be destroyed no except your father your mother your brothers your sister everybody that you have including the extended one bring them in here and all that came in there got saved when the angels came to lot in sunderland and gomorrah what did they say they didn't just say okay lord and your wife you who are here you have looked after us come we are saving this he said do you have anybody in this city they said yes we have in-laws we have

17:09 our daughters that are married we have he said we'll give you time because of them we're not just go talk to all of them and bring them out they first gave him that opportunity even lord himself was saved because of abraham god is into family business he's into seven groups seven cities saving communities yes yes everybody lift up your hand say lord open my eyes break down this old paradigm that's all tradition this old way of understanding the gospel break it down this going around with a hook

17:56 when the ocean is filled with fish pastors retrain your people and release them release them the whole city is your parish not that church the whole community is your parish not that small church i don't care if you have ten thousand people in that church how many people are you a city [Music] and you don't wait for anybody to release you you have got the truth the truth makes you free don't go back and sit down and say my password no send me nobody has right to hold you back nobody

18:44 leave the seat for new believers to be discipled god started something that god reached a community goal [Music] let's ask god again one more time give me this understanding right burn this truth on the tables of my heart born into my mind let me not forget the circumstances of life must not be able to take this truth away from you when you live here thank you jesus we can go back to how things used to be thank you jesus everybody listen listen listen listen so i can let my friends speak the other aspect of these nets next pastors listening to me is called multiple church planting of

19:32 not just multiple saturation go back [Applause] let everybody go and open their house and start sales start a cell in that country start a cell and that will grow that is net so that this is opposed to one just big elephant church this is multiple church the rabbis strategy the earned strategy to just one big mega church sitting in some way one big building nets nets nets

20:18 ourselves are small groups nuts and multiple church plantings nuts arabic churches nets at yemen churches nets is church planting movement nets is dbs discipleship disciple bible studies start them everywhere this whole call is for us at the church to take a drastic action you know we can talk about evangelism talk about making disciples but we need to model it outside and this is what the lord taught me recently that the church has divided us to groups so we have

21:05 evangelism group we have a prayer group so you see people sitting in church they can't get involved in evangelism because there's an evangelism group so you're not good at evangelism so it's okay stay there so join the prayer group i think what we need to do is just make it practical how do we make it practical we talk about evangelism let the whole church go out revengeless like you know people don't always come to church on weekdays so now what i adopted is that on sunday after teaching we take the whole church out just move out we move out and group the whole church and then we finish we come back if we do

21:53 that after a short time everybody get the idea that we all together in this talking about net when the whole church leaned to go out together we get used to this as our a drastic action towards the vengeance not just talk about this if you want to join the evangelism group go to this group there's nothing like evangelism group all of us are in it yes sir there's nothing like the great commission is our joint co-mission is the joint responsibility of every group now there might be a group you can have a group who specializes just like having those finance departments who manage money it doesn't mean that they're the only ones to give

22:40 or you have a prayer group who prays so women who meet are they the only ones to be praying so i agree 100 what he's saying and i'm charging all our leaders both here and all over the world for the next 90 days after committing i'm not saying that after that 90 days you stop pull but there is something about habits it takes about 30 days but when stretched 90 days to form a new culture a new habit every saturday every sunday sunday zone when service ends don't just dismiss people to go home let them move in groups of two and three

23:26 jesus said two by two and every street in your city must be covered every nook and corner of your city must be covered take if there is a street where people are hungry take food along where you go to see them it is a street where they live under the bridge take clothes take things that they will need every let's clean up the city for the next 19 everywhere and then after the 90 days another 19 days after the 90 days i know that let's pray and then leave and then just to model it for the people and then let the people start it on their own and of course like those of you who are here don't wait to go back and wait for somebody to model it for you when you leave here start don't even

24:12 wait to leave here when this session ends between now and get somebody and come with him to come the kind of things you are learning here you can see that this is what christianity is meant to be this is not what we are learning in our churches that's why we have the decay that we have today go there get somebody into the next session but it's not just about inviting him to commit he's about reaching him and winning him to christ and then working with that man to reach all his social network his family and others he said we say bring him in because he can be part of this training that will also help him

24:57 yes sir actually sir the same as did this that's what their mother because it's strategic and intentional when the same men's church missionary society came to on nature in 1857 the first person they met was the opioid furniture and with him that influence he opened the opening for them and gathered the people for them to minister and not only that he was the one that gave them the land if you go to any channel or the cathedral and they make choice and took where the bishops caught cathedral is is the highest point there is no place you can be in on it i cannot see that place it

25:44 was intentional so what this thing means is that lester get these influencers in the society the kings the president generals of towns even president and governor begin to pray for them first take the family heads community leaders and so that the villagers and even organizational leaders when we begin to pray and fast on their behavior god look at these people what they are going to do if you get them because if we don't do that just as she said the time we have is very short if we can go and isolate one of their subjects

26:30 he can't influence them but if he comes from top and the person can give further that this thing we are talking about bringing them and can you imagine where a king is born again we are a president of a nation a government everybody clap clap first but i need to bring balance because the person we are studying is jesus so there are situations where they touch people who had authority we don't go looking for only people who have authority maybe if you win the king or governor or whatever that would be not nonsense you won't be true to the great commission you check the whole thing where you can

27:17 reach somebody who has who is in authority reach him i use him but there will be some places you will go the person in authority might not even be the one that will be the access point who was the key to reaching the man who was the army general it was the maid the little girl in the house if you can reach a maid who can talk to her madam go ahead the important thing is watch out for the man god is opening god is touching are you hearing what i'm saying if god touches they will be used to be if god touches the commission of police use the commission of police if he has not touched a combination of please start with the copra who will open up for you to reach fellow policemen and from there move this thing is like fire whatever it starts with it burns the whole place can i hear lemon

28:04 so both sides that's the point the balancing both sides because i know some people they will say okay okay okay i need to be going for the billionaires and all of that if you reach that guy it will help you if you reach the king but look for somebody oh we'll talk about it i think in the next session what a man of peace looks like somebody that god has opened their hearts and who is ready to help connect others that's what you should be watching out for bill furniture did it a king of england did it for john wesley the man even became his interpreter provided and was opening different communities and they were traveling yes so but you meet somebody else it might be a different thing

28:50 so say something before we leave this segment you know but you have already said a lot you know what what if this is your last camp meeting jesus said right work while it is day because night is coming when no one can work amen did you have did you have lockdowns in nigeria you did six full moons six full months during your lockdowns could you meet in and we couldn't meet like this couldn't mean like this what or if not for this truth is the small groups and you called me on the phone and you said thank you because those of us who have taken discipleship and and discovery bible study we are fine yeah a lot of pastors right

29:37 in my country people didn't know what to do they just go on youtube and watch youtube preachers they didn't know how to be the church but in in places in africa we actually had church leaders calling our leaders and said did you bring coronavirus to our country to make everyone have to do church in their house they because they it forced everyone underground and the people who already knew how to do this to be the church in everyday life with their friends and family they were not affected at all praise the lord um i think we all would agree that the sun is setting on our side is satan night is coming

30:24 we need to get this so that we can be the last day's church so that we can make it through to the return of christ because between now and the return of christ comes something called the great tribulation and if you're believing that you're going to be raptured before then you might be believing a lie so be ready to go through it and make disciples through it praise the lord uh jesus said you're going to stand before governors and kings and it will be an opportunity for you to be my witnesses governors and kings yeah judges it will be an opportunity to be a witness yeah that's what reverend oliver was talking about

31:10 praise the lord so and you're going to be placed before governors and kings and and people in authority police commissioners whatever and you're gonna share the gospel and stand for christ in those kind of environments we need to build a last days persecution resistant church to make it through to the time jesus returns did you hear that the type of church that will survive the last days they meet in small groups in from house to house that's how the early church survived the onslaught of the mighty roman empire plus the persecution from the jerusalem religious order

31:56 is coming that's part of what is ahead you don't train for war when war has started you train ahead of time the dear men discipleship making movement and small group strategy is god's end time game is god's endgame that's how he says it we have to build a church that is resistant that will drive and even grow more and multiply even in the midst of the strongest [Music] persecution

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