Update from Medjugorje Priest: The Anti-Christ Arrival and the Great Deception! What These Entail!

0:04 Welcome to our show. Today we're going to be discussing the deception and seduction of the antichrist. What the antichrist will look like according to magori priest from radio Maria Italy, Father Livia. And again joining us to break this down is Patricia Brow. How are you Patricia? I'm doing very well. How are you Ron? I'm great, thank you. Let's start with the um St. Michael prayer. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Amen. St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in day of battle. Be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God restrain him, we humbly pray. Do thou a prince of the heavenly host. By the power of Almighty God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.

0:50 In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. You know, Ron, it's amazing to me that um for so long I think I told you in the other show that I didn't um believe in believe in angels because Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. Because well, I went to Catholic grade school and I went through um Catholic high school and they always taught us that, you know, the angels don't exist and they're just representations of the good and evil um and the devil doesn't exist. And I had never even heard of St. And so when you were praying that prayer, it's just um for me it's so strong um because we have this great defender of the faith. And

1:35 to me it's just so amazing because I went for so long in my life where I didn't even know he existed. And now that I know not only that he exists, but the the power that he has against the evil one, um I just think it's awesome that we have recourse to St. Michael and it's such a gift given to the church um from from Pope uh Pas 11. Is that correct? Yeah. And that's basically part of um what the what we're going to be talking about today. The great deception is that the devil's greatest deception in this modern day world is to make us believe that he doesn't exist in many ways. Father Olivia does mention um this fact and and our lady herself um when she appeared and she told I don't remember which year it was but she had said uh

2:21 you've all been tricked into thinking that the devil doesn't exist but I'm here to tell you that he is real. Um and Father Leia speaks of that a great deal because it is such a great deception for us to think that there is no devil and that there is no hell and that there is no consequences. Um, and I think, you know, I I do think in our times that of course we we have this great hope that as many people as possible go to heaven. And we and we take on these sacrifices because we want ourselves to go to heaven. We want our family to go to heaven. And we want everyone we know and everyone possible to go to heaven. But the sad truth is that is that hell does exist and that the devil does exist. Um, and he has done quite a a great job in

3:06 convincing the world that he's not real. And if he is not real, then sin's not real. And Father Livio talks about that a great deal. We're going to start off with this quote here. It's a famous quote from Pope uh John Paul II. And he says, "We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. do not think that wide circles of American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the church and the anti-urch of the gospel versus the anti-gosspel. We must be prepared to undergo great trials in the not tooistant future. Trials that will require us to be ready to give up even

3:52 our lives and a total gift of self to Christ and for Christ. Through your prayers and mine, it is possible to alleviate this tribulation, but it is no longer possible to avert it. How many times has the renewal of the church being brought about in blood could not be different this time? That's quite amazing quote from Pope John Paul II. um just how we need to become aware and need to always remind ourselves that we are facing the final confrontation um between the church and the anti-urch of the gospel versus the anti-gosspel. And in day-to-day living, it is very easy for us to forget about that, especially if you're living in a world of comfort. I mean, it's going to be different for people who are living

4:38 in war zones and and and facing evil dayto-day. But if you're living in a status like in America where things are pretty comfortable, we can start to just kind of be like, okay, well, whatever. I'm I'm happy in my own life and these are the things I want to go after and um kind of miss the big picture. Um which is that here we are just about to be in the final battle. Yes. And last time we spoke a lot about the concept of the antichrist. he talks about a global antichrist um and a communist antichrist which are more like um concepts rather than the concrete person. But um this time around in his recent updates he does affirm and he does um talk about the antichrist as

5:23 a person. Can you um break that down for us? What does he say about the antichrist? Does he believe the antichrist is coming before the era of peace or after the era of peace? Um what else does he mention about how the antichrist will look like? So it was pretty surprising to me because I had been reading into u the antichrist into different theories about whether or not the antichrist would um come into the world before the era of peace or after. And I know there's different theories on that. There's some pretty popular books that represent both positions. Um, but this week on Radio Maria, Father Livio stated that the Antichrist, the Antichrist, um, the one that we've been waiting for

6:08 out of fear, I suppose, um, that he will in fact appear during the time of the 10 secrets. Wow. He actually says that he does. And so I suppose when we look at that kind of 7year time period that he talks about till uh 2033 that three and a half of those years would be taken up by the time of the antichrist where he is ruling on earth and thank goodness that time will be shortened um for the sake of the elect. You know Christ tells us that if he didn't shorten the time everyone would be deceived and that's that's a little scary, right? Yeah. And um part of this great anti great great deception of the antichrist or most of it had already taken place

6:55 according to Livia that we are already living in this great deception of the antichrist. Can you tell us a bit more about that in this image here? So he tells us that that the antichrist we understand the antichrist if we go want to go back two slides. Mhm. He says if we want to understand who the antichrist will be, we need to understand these two terms. And he he encourages us to reflect on these two terms in our prayer. And that is what is it for us to be deceived and what is that what is it to for us to be seduced? And he asks us to reflect upon this in

7:40 our own lives. And he says that to understand those two things, if we understand what the deception and seduction look like currently in the world, we get a very good glimpse of what the world will look like during the antichrist. And he says that you want to go to the side with the trees. Yes. He says that the great deception what the great deception is is that that we have placed ourselves in the place of God. So he says if we look at the tree on the right this is the way the world is intended to be. We are to be rooted in

8:28 God. We are to be rooted in his law and in Christ. And through the sacraments and our living in God, then we have great fruits come from these things such as love, the good, virtue of, peace, freedom, life, purity, and we get to be part of his creation. And he said the great deception is this and it will and this will be the great deception in the time of the antichrist is that he will himself the antichrist put himself in the place of god and we will already value the values of the antichrist if we have been following the world in the last 50 years or 70 years. So once we put ourselves

9:15 at the root of our life, the fruits of that will be instead of love, we will have hate. We will have evil instead of good, sin instead of virtue, war, enslavement, death, excess, and destruction. And I think that we kind of know this if we look at our own lives. If we look at our own lives and the time in which we've chosen something and and we've sinned, you know, and it takes a reflection, right? It takes a spirit of reflection to look on our lives and look on our choices and to understand that in the times that we have sinned and chosen something. It might have been a a good, but we chose the wrong good, right? And that

10:00 that only leads to destruction and war and fighting. So let's say that we look at divorce for example. When we look at divorce, divorce ends up nowhere good for the two people involved in the divorce or the children in the family. And in this world, if you listen to the media, the media will tell you, "Wait, you have a choice." Okay? They'll say, "Well, if you get to the point, you've been married for 5 or 10 years, and you get to the point where your marriage no longer works or you fall in love with your partner." Right? That's what they tell us on TV. You fall in love with your partner. Well, now it's time. It's best for you to part ways. And you mean you fall out of love? Fall out. Oh, did I say fall into love?

10:46 If you've fallen out of love with fallen out of love. Yes. Continues. Um, so if you fall out of love with a person and you're saying, "What do I need to do for myself?" Right? Forget God's laws. God tells us he hates divorce, right? And he does not want divorce. But people will come to the point in in their marriage where things get difficult and the world is telling you, well, if you don't want to be in that relationship anymore, then just break it off and move on. But when we look in the into what happens within those families, when you have the the taking apart of the husband and wife, we divide them, which causes then great pain long term for those two people. And then when each of them brings a new

11:32 person into their life, that new person brings pain for the other person on both sides. And then for the children who don't then understand what is godlike. You know, all of a sudden they see two people who should have permanently been there for me. Well, now they're fighting and now they're splitting apart and they're giving up on love. And the children see that as an example of what is it like to be the father? What is it like to be God? Will God just give up on me? Should I just give up on everything? Is nothing permanent? Um if things get hard, should I just give up? Um so if we look at the the sins in the world, we might be surprised that sin leads to destruction. I mean, we know that through Christianity, but we also know that if we look really um into

12:19 our own lives, like if you were to steal something, you might think, "Okay, it's good for me to have this candy bar, right? and I've got this candy bar for me and that makes me happy. But in making myself happy, I've just taken it from somebody and I've created a lot of problems. I've created violence. I've created a um a sense of distrust. Um and I've also injured my neighbor who I've taken something um from them. You've made this of false false freedoms. I guess this is what you're talking about, right? that we consider that sin sometimes or our freedom to choose is a is a freedom when in fact it's a false freedom and yeah and I think if we look at today's culture if we look at today's culture and this is how the devil is

13:04 deceiving us okay and we don't even get we don't know it because it's such a part of our culture um if you if you watch TV or you listen to the news they're going to tell you abortion is a right okay why is abortion a Abortion is a right because we should have our right to sexual freedom. And no one should tell us when we can have sex and when we can't have sex. And so if a baby if a uh if I get pregnant as an accident of that, well then I need to terminate it. And that's my right. That's my right because my right to have free sex comes before that. So then we look at fashion. We have people dressing in crazy crazy manners. And and then if you say, "Well, the way that you're dressing, you know, it's not really appropriate. You're

13:51 you're seducing other people. You're tempting other people." And then the the woman may say, "Well, no, that's my right. I have my right to dress as I want." Um, and and in our world, if you look at our mass media, these things are what we're being told. You should be able to choose for yourself. You should have to have no commitment. You should get what you want. If you want a divorce, you should be able to. Well, if you want to commit suicide or euthanasia, well, then that's your choice. Um, you should have anything you want. I mean, we're always given all these commercials on, oh, the greatest new car, the biggest the biggest house in the world. And we have been tricked in the modern world. And it's different than it ever has been. It's different

14:36 than it has been because we have so much riches in the world and because we have so much sin in the world. If you go back a hundred years ago, nobody would have said have said, "Okay, abortion is a good thing or abortion is a necessary thing or even contraception." Nobody would have said contraception is a necessary thing. Almost everybody in these days says contraception is a necessary thing. And so when we choose oursel and we choose what we think as self freedoms, we end up with the fruits on this truth, which are sin and self-destruction. [Music] So, Father Livio actually specifies this is a summary basically your summary from Father Livio's information. Correct. Yes. So, he says that the great

15:22 deception, we already live in the time of the great deception and and he says that it's simpler than than we might think. We might think, well, the great deception is going to have to be something um spectacular, right? Um, it's going to have to be something like crazy and out of this world, you know, like the Antichrist is gonna have to have three heads or something. Um, but he says that's I mean maybe the Antichrist has three heads, I don't know. But he said the root of the deception is not that the root of the deception is for human beings to think that we have the freedom to choose whatever we want. It doesn't matter if we sin. It doesn't matter if

16:07 we break the commandments. And this is a picture that I that I um found on the internet that I thought was a really good um image of what Father Levio was trying to get across. And that is we have in front of us the devil. Okay, the devil is the master of lies, right? And he's holding in front of us a golden carrot. And to different people that represents different things. M so the golden carrot I mean you can think in your own life what is it that I want that runs contrary to what God wants well and we talked about this in the la in the different show is that there are some goods in this world that we want um that aren't necessarily against uh God's desire but if we put them in front of him then we begin to

16:54 also have trouble right and how hard it is like to be detached from the world so there different levels, right, of what this golden carrot can look like for different people. But um he said that the the pole of the antichrist in the time of the antichrist will be so strong will be so strong that we need to father Livio says we need to in this time we need to practice the five stones so that we become more and more and more detached of the things of this world. Because if we have any kind of attachment, let's say that in the time of the antichrist, they set up a government and they say, like for example, they say if you want, I mean, this is really

17:39 extreme, but maybe they say if you want food, you want to go to the store and get food, well, you're going to have to agree to our policies. Yeah. And if you don't agree to our policies, you're not going to be able to eat. And we mentioned this earlier today as we were speaking um offline that It was kind of like a prefigure prefiguring of this during the co mandates. Um I know in Australia that you had to get this co vaccine um certificate in order to enter into a pub or a restaurant or and they were going to even make it as far as going grocery shopping. So all the pleasures of the world, all the things that we're used to living in this, you know, comfort comfortable societies um were linked to this to getting this vaccine. Um and the mandates made it

18:26 impossible for you to to get these um you know everyday a necessity some of them groceries and just going to the restaurant or just going to a club or a pub or where whatever without you know ticking that box without being vaccinated. And that means that for a lot of people they had to violate their own consciences in order to to do that. So I think it'll be a similar deception or a similar dilemma with this with the antichrist where we will have to choose between you know our moral u consciences or or living according to the world. I think the co mandates were a good good preparation for what was what is to come. It was quite horrible during co you know I was one I I did take the vaccine. Um, but I understand people who had a moral

19:13 objection or a scientific objection against taking the vaccine and people should always have a freedom in that sense, a freedom of choice not to take a vaccine. Um, especially one that seemed to be somewhat experimental. Um and there was so much so much stress and so much restriction put on as you say put on the people um that it was difficult for those people who didn't want to take I mean there was people who didn't want to take it because it had both of the vaccines were could be traced back to abortion and I know that the Vatican with the Fiser vaccine they gave um an exemption saying that this was too far removed from that the that abortion um for ethically that they then gave the approval for people to be able to take

19:59 the vaccine. But it's a different thing to say that you can ethically take the vaccine than to say you must take the vaccine. Those are two different statements. And you, as you say, Ron, we had this movement um of people and of the government that became very very controlling. And I had traveled to France during this time period and had gone into McDonald's to get a drink. Okay. Gone into McDonald's to get a drink. And the person treated me like I was the worst person on the planet of the earth, right? I'm like, I'm trying to get my vaccine passport, which was at that time was like in three forms. I had the digital form and then when you got to Europe, you had to transfer it into the Europe European digital form.

20:45 So, I had to show her the right forms just to be able to get a drink. Yeah. Yeah. And and not only that, she she treated me like I was um a criminal. Honestly, she treated me like I was a criminal. And I'm like, I can't believe this. And and that it's kind of scary how that little little bit of power people get power hungry and that they can start to act very irrational towards other people. And you're right that it gives you a sense of what it could be like in the time of the antichrist where all of a sudden and and similar to what happened with the um the Jewish persecution in World War II. you know, they were marked with um the star on their clothes or or whatever or tattoo and they were treated, you know, like secondass citizens or like animals just because of their ethnic background. And we saw in

21:31 co that this is still, you know, it's still in the heart of men like it's not hasn't gone. This hatred, this division, this ability to make, you know, fellow human beings into outcasts is still u present in the hearts of men. and and we seem to have grown colder like not we haven't seem to have learned from our lesson. We haven't seem to have um got more compassion. It seems like right now we're human nature has become as as cold as it has ever been. Lacks love, lacks empathy. We see it on the news daily with all the wars with um you know in Syria at the moment with the killing of different ethnic groups and people have you know they've lost love they've lost compassion and it's it's a growing phenomena without throughout the world

22:17 with a lot of people and I think um it's the media it's a access to violence on online or on TV that's kind of made people grow cold. Well, I saw that um image that you had had online with um the church in Gaza and how the tank I mean the tank was not far from the church and so obviously the tank had as a target the church at least that part of it. I mean there was there was other um explosions in the area but but that tank shot right at the cross and um and that and that is quite an image in so many ways to ponder upon you know that the cross was left standing but also that that whoever was driving that tank felt that Christianity needed to be

23:05 destroyed. Exactly. Yeah. And I think that as Christians, as Christians or as people who are not living in war zones, maybe it's harder for us to understand that. Um, I did live in Northern Ireland um for uh in the year 2000. Um, and I know that that environment caused just a huge amount of stress. And I lived in London Derry/Dair um which is a place where the Catholics live on one side of the river and the Protestants live in another. And it's like um it's like in the culture and in almost in the everyday air there is this feeling of mistrust. There's a feeling

23:52 of not knowing who's going to shoot you. like honestly living there like cuz you're you're walking especially at night time but even in the daytime like I was in um downtown London and all of a sudden there were these um huge tanks coming down and everybody with their guns out um and there was a bomb and there was a bomb threat and I thought oh my gosh you know living to that in that environment day to day when you don't know who is your enemy and who is your friend and then there becomes these deeprooted divisions because of for um even you know within the Irish people where they say well my grandfather or my father had to fight for this my father died my friend's father died you know so the closer you are to that division and that war and

24:37 fighting it is it takes root in the heart it takes root in the heart and then and then you make enemies because you think those people are after you and that becomes your kind of physical out your your psychological exactly that's what happens with people that um live in warborn countries you know, they become, you know, sectarianism, as you say, they their nationality or their um identity becomes like their team or their color that they follow and it it means everything. It means life and death for them. So, um it's it's just very sad. Um I want to read this. Yes, go on. I was going to say even growing up in the Bay Area. So I in the Bay Area here in California um when I was a child. So we had um at the time we had people coming from uh all

25:25 over the world and especially India and China and the people who were in that generation. So they there were people I know who did not like Indian people who did not like the Chinese people because they came in and effectively they felt like they had taken their jobs. And so they had this hatred they had this hatred of all Chinese people. They had all this hatred of all Indian people because they saw these people as threatening their money and their ability to make to have a job. Right. Yeah. So then, so then you hated those people because you associated them with the loss of your job and then that just became part of who you were. You did not like those

26:11 people. You won't talk to them. You don't want anything to do with them. And then you then you kind of hate them, right? And if you went to war, maybe you would fight them or put them in camps. Okay. So let's let's move back to the um Father Livio quote here on the screen. and I'll read it out and we can just discuss some of the final points regarding his conception of the coming antichrist before we wrap up today. He says, "And this is the essence of the anti-Christian deception, that is the rejection of faith, apostasy from faith, the illusion of a salvation that comes from man. It's difficult to say what it consists of because if we look at the godless world that is being built day by day, dear friends, it's an increasingly hellish, increasingly worse,

26:57 increasingly less human, increasingly horrible world. So, we are inside this great deception in which, dear friends, we don't know. We are in the deception. It's quite a strong quote. It's kind of like the movie of the Matrix, right? This is a picture. We don't know it, but it's you don't know it because you're inside it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, this is and what he's saying is what we've basically been talking about this whole podcast is that we're living in a world that's increasingly horrible, incre increasingly less human. So, that that phrase there stuck with me that it's increasingly less human, that we're losing this sense of what it is to be human. It's becoming very self-absorbed. Um it's about survival of the fittest. about self and identity

27:45 rather than you know um empathy and compassion that's that's gone out these um you know virtues of the gospel of love one another that's that's gone out the drain. Yeah. I think that sometimes these um these evils that we face um are not as clear as we might want them to be. And I'm going to just bring up an example and be done. But um so like I had for me I had a difficult time having a child and eventually I did have two healthy children and I adopted but I also know women who really struggle with their fertility and if you look at IVF I think IVF is a very good example um because on one hand IVF seems to be something that we've come up with science the human mind you know has come

28:33 up with this through research and through it we're able to take an egg and a sperm and we're able to um put them in a petri dish together manufacture the conception right and then put it back in and you would think I mean for women who are not able to conceive and they're struggling with infertility you can see how it would be very very very difficult as a woman to not see that as being an option you know and I feel for those women who struggle because I know what it's like to struggle. I struggled for seven years to have a baby. And just imagine for somebody who's not able to conceive that then with IVF, you kind of want to say,

29:19 "Okay, well, it's something very small and I don't have to see the things that are the embryos that are disposed of. I can freeze them and they can't feel, they can't think." And so this is it's okay. It's okay. And I know women who have talked themselves into it being okay. Um, and I also see how difficult it is for those women. But then if you look at the reality of what's happening and what consists of the evil of IVF, I know that I saw a show that said something like for every one embryo that goes to conception, 10 do not. And so basically we're producing 10 conceptions and getting rid of them for everyone.

30:07 And but I do think that the truth of behind that, namely the truth of why it's evil. Well, it also has to do with separating um conception from the natural act, right? But I think it almost takes being Catholic to understand that that's not right. And in that way, like we live in a time period where things that we think are good that we really need the light of Christ and we need the light of church, the church to help us understand why those things are gravely offensive to the Lord. Um and I I think that's true of of a lot of the things that we might think that are good that are actually not good at all. Yes, we do need um the light of the

30:54 church, like I said, the light of faith, the divine revelation. sometimes um we know that because of our fallen nature, it's hard for us to distinguish between what's natural good and what's not natural good. But now even more so because of the culture that we're living in and this it's kind of like a facade or a matrix as you mentioned that we look around us and we think okay this is how the world is and this is normal. This is right because it's normal. It's you know we've been almost brainwashed into thinking that this culture of death is is a normal way of life. So we our intellect and our moral capacity to to judge between good and bad has been severely impacted by that indeed. And Father Livio emphasizes that in these last episodes. Um are there anything

31:40 other points that you want to bring out before we wrap up? Um, no. I would just um emphasize the point that Alivio I was surprised that the antichrist he said will come to rule during the time of the secrets and that he believes at the time of the secrets that we've already entered them. And so he emphasizes again and again and again and again we need to prepare. And he says the only way that we're going to be prepared is if that we are going to the sacraments. We're going to confession. We're going to the eukarist. We're going we're praying our rosary. And we're putting aside time daily for prayer. Um and going to Christ for our strength because he said that in the time of the

32:25 secrets the devil will be very very very very strong and our inhumanly we won't be able to fight the antichrist. And that the only way that we'll be strong enough is if we are with our lady. And it will be through being in her immaculate heart that we will have the strength to to reject the devil and to do what's right. And he does mentioned um just lastly how the church has also become a victim of this u or being become susceptible to the antichrist. Um, how has the church become more susceptible to accepting the antichrist? And we know that with the antichrist comes, a lot of fathers of the church or saints have said that a lot of Christians will be deceived and

33:10 will follow the antichrist. Well, I think this is a great topic we that we talk about in another episode, but I will tell you the short answer. The short answer he says is the error of modernism. And that is that in our church, we've had a rejection of the supernatural. And so we have even among the priests, priests who don't believe in miracles, priests who don't believe in the eukarist, priests that don't um believe that God is truly present in the world today. And I and I grew up with this, so I have heard it in the homalies. Um and we certainly have so many priests who have fallen morally um and they're justifying it, right? They're justifying just like we do. Um, and they're tempted more than we are.

33:56 Um, and they they use the wisdom of the world to justify their point of view. And we've had so many priests that have fallen away from the faith, so many priests that have left the church. And our lady tells us that it is the priesthood that will be the bridge to the era of priests. Sorry, the era of peace. So, we must pray, pray, pray, pray. We must pray for vocations. We must pray to strengthen our priests. so that they're able to see the truth. Because if we want to get from this side to the other side, the new era of peace, the only way is through the priests, right? And that brings us back to the beginning of our topic where we talked about the deception of the of the Satan or of the Antichrist is to make us

34:42 believe that supernatural doesn't exist, to make us believe that the spiritual realm or that evil or hell or the devil doesn't exist. It's not it's just a concept rather than a reality. And um also you mentioned to me previously that this is going to be one of the main attacks of the antichrist himself during his reign is to attack the supernaturality of um authentic Marian apparitions or Marian u apparition sites such as Magigori and um to promote false the false apparitions. Can you just briefly elaborate on that the next last five minutes? So I was surprised by this. Father Livia brought up um the example of in the very beginning of Magigoria there was a

35:29 priest who was very highly involved in Magigoria and then he ended up being sorry falling into new age and eventually being excommunicated from the church. And he said that during that time period when that was happening, our lady had asked Magigoria, the parish, to do 30 days of fasting in order to keep the devil out of Magoria. And she said that Magoria was at great danger because of what was happening. And even now, you hear that objection from people regarding that priest who was excommunicated. Are you familiar with the priest, Ron? Do you know what I'm talking about? uh briefly here. Okay. So, you know, a lot of people will bring that up as an objection against

36:15 Magigoria and it was it was a great suffering for our lady because many people were led astray because that was allowed to happen that there was weakness that it was allowed to happen within the head the person the priest who was the head of Magigoria at the time to fall. And she says that during a time of secrets within Magigoria, they will still um suffer the same attacks from the devil. The devil will make fun of all Marian apparitions. Um, and he will attack them in particular. And he will attack Magigoria even more strongly trying to make people fall into sin so that people won't believe in the seers

37:01 um and won't believe in the message. And you know it's very it's a little frightening. I mean I know that you know at this time period no one is at this time period no one is um has to believe or not believe in magoria right we still the church has only given it in the hill obstat but father Olivio is has a very strong belief in magoria um and I believe in magoria and I do believe that when our lady appears there is a great attack on the truthfulness of it and he also says that during the time of antichrist that the antichrist will attack Catholics because He doesn't want people to believe in the supernatural. He doesn't want them to believe in devils. He doesn't want them to believe in God. He doesn't want them to believe in anything supernatural. And so what we see happening now within the

37:48 church um the attacks we have through modernism are going to get even worse to the point that churches will be shut down. Yeah. And um it's all going to be quite imminent because he believes that according to father Olivio is that it's this will all come to an end by the 2000 Jubilee 2033. Yeah. He's saying that he thinks the 2033 is will be the end of the 10 secrets. Um he says that's kind of a um you know supposition or a personal opinion that is not written in stone, right? But he thinks that that would be quite appropriate that the year 2033 um would be the end and that it would be quite suiting for the 2,000year

38:34 anniversary of the resurrection of Jesus to also mark the resurrection of the church which is going to be going through the same passion that Jesus did. Well, thank you very much uh Patricia for coming on again and sharing this important information. And I know I guess our viewers are very um interested and very thankful for you to be able to share this with them because it's very hard to access in Italian. You've gone through it um and you've got a theological background yourself. So you're able to listen and understand all the nuances of theology that Father Olivia um incorporates in his talks and you're able to bring to us in a good summarized way. So thank you very much again. Um would you be able to close in a prayer for us? Yes. Yeah.

39:21 In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen. Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen. [Music]