DEBT SPIRAL Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1102

0:00 Coming up, I want to talk about the LA uprising, the LA riots, and the Democrats playbook. I'm also going to argue that America is entering a debt spiral in which the normal remedies applied by the Federal Reserve no longer work. I'll examine the reason for Kilmargo Garcia's return to the US and consider the criteria by which bad guys like Garcia and George Floyd become heroes of the left. And Oruron McIntyre of the Blaze joins me. We're going to talk about the rising tide of violence on the left. Hey, if you're watching on X or Rumble or YouTube, listening on Apple or Spotify, please subscribe to my channel. Hit the subscribe, the follow, the notifications button. I'd appreciate it. This is the Desh Duza podcast.

0:52 [Music] America needs this voice. The times are crazy. In a time of confusion, division, and lies, we need a brave voice of reason, understanding, and truth. This is the Desh Duza podcast. I want to cover a few things in this opening segment. I'm going to talk about Simone Biles. I'm also going to talk about the um LA riots and the Democrats playbook because we're witnessing not just uh spontaneous uprisings or riots. We're we're witnessing a familiar strategy manual being

1:39 executed here and I want to highlight what that uh what that is. And I also want to talk about economics and particularly about what could be called our debt spiral. Not a debt spiral, that's a normal phrase we use, but a debt deebt our debt spiral. So, let me start with Simone Biles, who has uh come out uh guns blazing, you might say, against Riley Gaines on the trans issue. And she had this unprovoked and extremely insulting post where she basically implies that Riley Gaines is kind of a man and she's like u uh you know, you're such a bully and you need to pick on someone your own size, which

2:24 would be a man's size. And uh part of what makes all this really bizarre is first of all Riley Gaines is like 5'6. So she is you know like normal size. Um the um I don't know what the average is pro probably you know Debbie said Debbie goes well I'm 5 feet and well and Simone Biles by the way I I I you're five oh Debbiey's 51. I notice people who are like right at five like like that one inch is like really important. I'm 51. Um but but Simone Biles is like 47 or 4 No, no, no, no, honey. Look her look her up. She's like 4'8. So from her perspective, it's kind of I guess she would see like Riley Gaines is like a

3:09 giant, you know? It's kind of like the It's kind of like the the dwarf at the dinner party running around from table to table accusing everybody of being obsessed with height. You know, it's this this can happen from a certain kind of distorted perspective. The other thing about it is, you know, I would assume that being a man would imply here that somehow Riley Gaines is some kind of, you know, bodybuilder or very muscular, but the opposite is true. If you look at Simone Biles, Simone Biles is like she's got inc I mean, for her size, she's got unbelievable biceps and and you have to be right in order to be able to do the do the the uneven bar and do the floor routines and so on. Um, the mean-spiritedness of this Simone Biles tweet, I think, was really what was perhaps the most striking o of all. And

3:58 and think about it. Here is Simone Biles, who, by the way, how many of Simone Biles's titles? Uh, and she has a lot of them and gold medals. How many of those were achieved in competition with a biological male? Answer: none. And so, it's almost like Simone Biles has never had this problem. And so she doesn't understand why anybody else would be upset about it. Now Riley Gaines was competing in a race against this sort of muscular male so-called is it Leah Thomas I think was the the name of the trans athlete involved. And so naturally Riley Gaines was the one who experienced this. Leah Thomas in the locker room, Leah Thomas in the pool. Um and um so there is anxiety on the part of female

4:46 athletes who have these experiences. But since Simone Biles doesn't, it's she can very easily from the luxury of her own point of view go, "Hey, uh I can't believe you people are getting all worked up about this. This is really a a non-issue." Now, let me turn to LA, where Democratic LA Council member Ununice Hernandez uh is threatening an escalation. Our resistance has slowed them down before, and if they're escalating their tactics, then so are we. And I think what's going on here in LA is a, as I mentioned, a kind of a playbook. And what is the playbook? Here's the playbook. The playbook is you

5:33 engage in some kind of illegal conduct. It could be rioting. It could be looting. It could be your uh criminal aliens. And then the government comes in to enforce the law. Stop looting. Stop burning. Uh you need to go back home because you're not lawfully in this country. And then what the Democrats do is that they they raise the temperature. They go, "Okay, we refuse to leave or we're going to uh we're going to attack the police cars or we're going to climb on a bridge and throw rocks." And then the government goes, "Well, if you do that, we're going to need some shields to block the rocks. We're going to need some highowered, high-pressured uh water. We're going to need some tear

6:18 gas." And then you accuse the government of engaging in fascist authoritarian tactics um and demand that those that the government withdraw and back off and you accuse the government of having provoked the whole conflict in the first place. This is a this is a kind of standard uh playbook and we're going to see this playbook uh ratchet up because as you probably know there's going to be this big Flag Day parade on June 14th. Uh it's going to be a spectacular occasion in DC. But I see here that there are leftist organizations that are planning to quote rise up all around the country on that exact same day. uh they're calling it a nationwide day of

7:04 defiance. And so we can we're going to see this LA playbook uh that we've seen before replicated perhaps in towns and cities across the country. And it is worth noting here that some of the blame for this, not all the blame, uh because there's plenty of blame to go around, right? You have the California authorities that have been encouraging this quote resistance. I'm thinking here of Mayor Bass. I'm thinking here of the governor and Newsome, but also innumerable Democratic congressmen, city council members, and so on. They're all in on it. So, this is not a simple case of like thugs on the street. You you have thugs in office who are encouraging the thugs on the street. In fact, they see the thugs on the street as part of

7:50 their, you know, paramilitary operation. This is partly why this is not a simple case of cracking down on lawb breakakers. The lawb breakakers, think of it, the looters have been protected by laws that say that they can shoplift and take things, let's say, under $1,000 without being prosecuted. They have very light criminal penalties. They're let out on bail very easily. In some cases, no bail at all. So all of this is being done by political figures who see the thugs as working in a sense in concert with them on their behalf. Debbie's talked in the past about the collectivos and how those thugs in Venezuela operate, take marching orders from the regime. Something similar is happening here. And I also want to mention the role of these federal judges. You know,

8:38 uh all the way from, by the way, Chief Justice Roberts down to Judge Boseberg and a number of others. These are the people who have shown greater solicitousness toward the illegals and toward illegal criminals than toward their victims. They have in a in a way paved the way for all this kind of outrage because at some level the illegals are saying well listen the judges are acting to strike down the actions of the Trump administration. The judges are on our side. I think that's the message that has gone gone through to these criminal uh aliens and to the criminal alien constituency you might say. Now let me say a few words also about this issue of a debt spiral

9:23 because um the backdrop for all this is that uh the United States in the past um 30 years or so in fact more than 30 years has been operating under you could call it the Keynesian uh money management system. And what is the Keynesian money management system? It said basically the Federal Reserve is acting kind of like uh the driver of a car. If the car is going too fast, the Federal Reserve puts on the brakes. If the car is going too slowly and the Federal Reserve wants to sort of pick up uh the speed of the economy, they press on the accelerator and let go of the brake. So the Federal Reserve has the power to move the car faster forward or

10:11 to slow it down depending on what is needed at a given time. This was basically Kanes's argument for progressive control uh over the system of money. And how does the Federal Reserve do this? Really in two ways. One is by controlling the money supply which is to say printing money or taking money out of circulation. And the second is the interest rate. Raising the interest rate or lowering the interest interest rate. So you want to speed up the economy, which is to say you want to hit the accelerator, lower the interest rate and print money. You want to slow down the car, stop printing money uh and buy back some bonds and then raise the interest rate. So this is these are the levers. When you think back to Federal

10:57 Reserve chairman, people like Paul Bulker in the Reagan era or you think about uh Greenspan, um these are even Ben Bernani under George W. Bush, these guys would use these levers to quote speed up the car or slow it down. Now, here is the problem with all the money that has gotten printed uh in the 2008 after the 2008 crash. All the money that was printed after COVID, the Federal Reserve has printed a great deal of money. And now it's very hard to hit the brakes. Now, why is it hard to hit the brakes? It's hard to hit the brakes number one because the government continues to spend way too much money. And as long as the government is spending money, the

11:43 federal government has to finance that money. In other words, you need some way in order to pay for all that money that you're spending. At the very least, you need to pay interest on that money because you issue bonds when you when you spend more money than you than you take in. You pay for the difference with bonds. And so, the Federal Reserve is now in a peculiar position. They would like to hit the brakes. They would like to um raise the interest rate. This would slow down, if you will, the car. But they can't do it. Why not? Because if they raise the interest rate, that happens also to raise the interest rate of the debt because the government has to pay interest on the debt. And the debt is now $ 38 trillion. So if the interest rate is 2 or 3%, that

12:31 makes it one level of payment about a trillion dollars a year by the way. And if the interest rate doubles, let's say the interest rate becomes four or 5%. Now you've got to spend $2 trillion that you don't have to make interest payments on the debt. And so what do you do in order to get that second trillion? You go ahead and print more money. So the point I'm trying to make is it becomes impossible now to slow the car down because when you slow the car down, you end up increasing the debt obligations of the US government which then compels you to go right back to hitting the accelerator. Hitting the accelerator here, meaning printing more money. So this is the so-called debt spiral. Why?

13:18 because ultimately it shows that the Federal Reserve is losing control of the automobile. Uh and that is very bad news for the economy long term. It might be again somewhat manageable in the short term but there is um there are perils ahead uh and we should be aware of those and in some ways in terms of um in terms of politics yes but also in terms of our own finances we need to protect ourselves against what is coming. I'm really happy to talk to you about the amazing people at PhD weight loss. Debbie lost 24 lbs. I lost 27 2 years ago. But notice we've kept the weight off. It is a way of life eating and we

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17:12 margaritas with this quote Maryland man uh trying to get him back to the United States. Think about the elacrity or speed with which the courts moved. Oh, you've got to facilitate his return. Uh he has not had proper due process. And the Trump administration basically had taken the position, well, guess what? He's now in the control of El Salvador. Uh he is a Salvadoran citizen by the way. He was here unlawfully. And um so it's up to the Salvadorans as to what happens to him. But now there is a kind of interesting twist because the Trump administration itself seemingly under no obligation to bring him back because after all the Trump people I

17:58 think had definitively stated he is now basically in the hands of his own government. Uh they are the ones who control his movements not us. Um the Trump administration has um convened a grand jury, the DOJ, and they have indicted Kilara Rego Garcia on a whole bunch of sex trafficking uh and child trafficking charges. Evidently, this guy was going around uh in a vehicle um engaged in a kind of rather elaborate sex trafficking operation, not just involving him, but involving a bunch of other people as well. So, he was part of a sex trafficking network or at least

18:45 this is the allegation against him. Obviously, it has to be substantiated and proven in court, but if true, this is obviously a really bad guy. Uh this is not some kind of innocuous Maryland man, a welder and a kind of bluecollar guy who's being singled out for some reason by the Trump administration. No, this is a really bad guy. And in a way, I think the Trump administration must have come to the view that it's not enough just to leave him in El Salvador. People will continue to think of him as some kind of a noble victim that he was s sort of um improperly deported. And of course, the fact that he's coming back is leading to headlines like man improperly deported is now being returned as if you know justice is being

19:32 done. But um the guy is being brought back to face very serious charges and um and so we'll see how that goes. But I think that the thing to me is that there is a certain pathological aspect in the left and in the Democratic party that views people like George Floyd and Kilmar Garcia as noble heroes. Um somehow the Democrats heroes uh always turn out to be really bad guys. Uh it's almost as if they need the guy to be a really bad guy. If the guy was in fact an innocuous guy, they don't really want him as a hero because part

20:19 of what makes him appealing, it's almost like the Democrats are saying, "We can pick anybody. This guy can be a home invader. He can be a drug addict. He could have his body addled with drugs. He could be a sex trafficker. And we through the power of the media, through the power of propaganda, we can turn a monster uh into uh a a guy who deserves to have his statue built in the middle of a major city. And if this seems like an exaggeration, no. Think of the fact that you have George Floyd statues uh in more than one place in this country. Uh you have uh the leadership of the Democratic party doing George Floyd genulections. Um you know he became somehow Saint

21:06 George Floyd. Uh and I think again it's not just because somebody put a knee on his neck. It's because this guy was truly a bad guy and the Democrats are like look we can turn this bad guy into a hero. So the Democrats heroes are always of the caliber of the Weather Underground guy who blew up um the Chevar a monster and a kind of a mass murderer in his own way. The Democrats of course had their romances with with Mao and Stalin uh who um butchered in in those cases tens of millions of people. Uh Democrats have an affinity for lawlessness and for as I say really bad guys. And so, uh, having settled on George Floyd as their poster boy for

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24:14 color. Guys, I'm always thrilled to have on the podcast Oron McIntyre, the um host of the Oruron McIntyre Show, a columnist for Blaze News, the author of The Total State: How Liberal Democracies Become Tyrannies, which is available now. You can follow him on X at Oruron McIntyre. Or thank you for um coming on. I really appreciate it. um we've seen this kind of um LA uprising which in some ways appear as a a deja vu all over again. I don't know if you remember all the way back to the '9s and the LA riots, but you certainly remember 2020 and the George Floyd uh riots. Um what is your

25:00 diagnosis of what is going on here? Is this just uh too many illegals have been allowed into California and you've got an illegal flare up because they're being rounded up? Is this an organized campaign by the left and by the Democrats? Is this a a jihadi operation with terror cells that have been led into the country that are now being somehow unleashed? We've only got a glimpse of what's happening so far. probably learn a lot more uh as time goes on, but what's your read so far on what's happening in LA and its potential for spreading? Well, like you said, Desh, most of these events are somewhat cyclical. Unfortunately, we see these types of riots on a somewhat regular

25:46 basis in the United States, and they tend to be a mixture of real organic tensions that are underlying American politics, but they're often manipulated by organized forces that would like to see some kind of outcome. In this case, many people have pointed to the fact that a number of the organizations on the ground involved in organizing different people in this protest might be government funded, might be NGO funded. They might be working with different operations. It's difficult to speculate exactly where this started. The one thing that we do know obviously is that constantly allowing a large number of illegal immigrants to enter the United States, especially concentrating in places like California, is going to create this diaspora culture

26:31 that feels separate and apart from the United States. And whenever a uh entity like the Trump administration decides that actually we're not going to just allow millions of people to pour over our border every year, we're not just going to allow them to stay and wait for amnesty to show up or for them to continue to receive benefits in some manner. You're going to get that push back. So obviously there are a lot of people living in the United States as illegal immigrants who expect to be taken care of. They expect to live without having any kind of duties in the United States or being uh subject to the laws of the United States. they expect to collect uh an income from the United States and anyone who threatens that is going to threaten their way of life. So, it's not really hard to get them going. But from what we see, it definitely looks like there is a mixture of leftist

27:16 activists. We have uh illegal immigrants who of course actually oppose being sent back or having their benefits cut. And then there are the very political free Palestine, anti-colonial narrative uh protesters as well. they are more likely to be motivated by actual professional organization or some kind of ideological top-down manipulation of the situation. I was reflecting on that kind of iconic but iconic in a bad way image of the the guy standing on the car waving the the Mexican flag. And I'm thinking to myself, you know, your objection appears to be that you are being forcibly deported to Mexico.

28:02 And yet, in waving this flag, what you're telling us is that your loyalties are with Mexico, which presumably would mean you would be very happy to be dispatched to this place to which you have this undying allegiance. And yet here you are using that flag as a kind of almost weapon or totem of resistance against the United States, a country that you don't seem to identify with and yet you're determined to stay here. Uh how do you make sense of this sort of peculiar ideology uh in which you want to be in one country but declare your allegiances to another. So this is actually a strange dichotomy like this doesn't actually have the level of opposition we might think

28:47 because in some ways uh the American narrative that is often presented by the left works handinhand with this. So a lot of us have said that America is just this melting pot. It doesn't it's not a real nation like other nations are. It's this economic zone or this place where we have these like abstract principles and once you're in the United States you kind of believe uh these things or you just happen to be participating in the economy and you'll eventually become an American. But that's not actually the case. The nation is its people. The nation's values travel with the people themselves. And for many of these people, they might be in the United States, but they are forever going to be Mexican or Guatemalan or Venezuelan. Their nation is the people and the nation goes wherever the people go. So

29:33 if Mexico is in the United States then the United States becomes Mexico. There are of course immigrants who are interested in coming in and assimilating but the key there is always the individual uh effort of the immigrant along with the fact that they are required to assimilate to something. The United States is is first and foremost an Anglo Protestant nation. Now there are many people who are not Anglo or Protestant who join in and become part of that history and meld in become part of that tradition. But if you are coming in with large numbers of people from a culture or a religion that does not believe in those values and you stay in those neighborhoods, you never learn the language, you always get jobs from people inside that society, you never really have to step outside of that culture, then there is no assimilation.

30:20 And of course, you're going to think of this more as a conquest by your country rather than you melding into the country that is actually giving you all these things that you think you deserve. I mean, I think what you're saying is really very important and interesting here. And I I'm applying it somewhat to my own situation. When I first came to America, because I was an exchange student, I was dispatched to a small town in rural Arizona. uh in which I think over the course of a year I did not see another Indian. I mean I saw American Indians but I didn't see any other Asian Indians. And then I went to Dartmouth which at the time had very few foreign students. Um and so occasionally over four years I might have seen four or five Indians on the campus but it certainly wasn't a kind of Indian

31:07 environment. Now, there are pockets of America that are that are densely packed with Asian Indians, notably certain parts of New York and New Jersey. And I think to myself, had I been parachuted there, my experience of American life might have been really quite different. And so what I'm getting at here to generalize obviously beyond my own example I think the two things that have changed is one is immigrants in the past came in relatively small numbers where the they were not the majority and so they had in a way no option but to assimilate to a larger culture that surrounded them in a sense in on all sides. On the other hand, when you have large numbers of immigrants or so many of them where they'd get to create their own distinct population, then you don't

31:54 have a similar type of pressure. And the second thing, of course, I think that's different is that the that the United States in the past did not have a left-wing ideology that encouraged you not to assimilate and in fact declared that assimilation is a form of surrender or sellout uh and that affirming your own identity, maybe even in rebellion against the culture of the United States is the way to go. Do you agree that those are the two kind of big changes here that have taken something that historically seemed to work reasonably well certainly in the 19th century and for some of the 20th century but now seems to have gone like totally haywire. That's right. And this is a battle that's been going on in the United States for a long time. As you point out, there are many immigrant groups

32:41 that have come in and assimilated uh to a decent extent, but we do have historical examples of those that did not. And often there are those that came in large groups and had a lot of cultural distance that required them to cover for assimilation. That's why you still see places like Chinatowns inside different uh you know different uh cities in the United States because those are communities that took a longer time to assimilate or actually built a different identity that created a barrier for assimilation. But at least as you point out at that time there was an understanding that there was an expectation of assimilation when people came into the United States. Today the narrative is no acknowledging that there is a real American culture that there is a baseline Anglo Protestant culture that the United States is built on. There's a

33:27 historical tradition that you need to understand. And again, you may not perfectly immediately fit into each aspect of that identity. But your goal, your aspiration is to ultimately become more American, to join into that. That was an idea that existed previously. Today that is seen as an anathema. that is some kind of cultural imperialism, that is some kind of white supremacy. The idea that someone would walk into the United States and feel compelled to change their culture, to change their outlook in order to conform with the United States majority culture is seen as a uh like again an aspect of some kind of settler colonialism. And that's why we see this marriage, this narrative merge so completely with these pro Palestinian protests as well. They're using very similar language to justify

34:14 their lack of assimilation into the United States and its culture. The issue of illegals has become almost a cardinal, you know, sacramental allegiance for the Democratic Party. In fact, uh I was commenting earlier uh on the podcast that, you know, the left's hero used to be George Floyd. Now it's like Kil Mara, Brago, Garcia. So you get an indication here that these are the kinds of people that the left elevates into icons. These are these are their heroes. Now I've heard it said that the motive of the Democrats here is uh ultimately that the Census Bureau counts legals and illegals

35:00 together. It doesn't separate the one from the other and this benefits the Democrats in the allocation of congressional seats. But I have the idea that their allegiance runs even deeper than that. There's got to be more to it than just that. Do you think that there's more to it than that? And what is the the the more? Absolutely. It is as always again a mix of real politique and ideology. These people are often very cynical political mo uh politically motivated operators. However, they do have a belief system that also drives this them to this direction. And otherwise, you couldn't get the activists out there to to uh protest like this. They're not focused on whether or not the Democrats get the exact number of seats that they're looking for. They care about the

35:46 ideology. And so, I think the the the the motivation politically is to bring in a large client class. This is a classic historical political move called the high and low versus the middle. way to displace a middle class population is for the ruling class to bring in a uh another population that is not loyal to the country itself, not loyal to its systems, not loyal to its beliefs and entirely dependent on the ruling class. And that is what the immigrant population provides. It's people who do not have roots to the country. They don't have loyalty to its institutions or its beliefs or its heritage or its traditions. Their only loyalty is to the stuff they're being given. And this allows the high, the ruling class to leverage it against the middle uh and ultimately take their stuff. Get rid of the koolocks as it were. That's always

36:32 the problem. At the same time, that settler colonialism narrative, the idea that it is America is the one that has gone out there and destroyed these cultures and ultimately it is America that has to pay the price. And really, let's be honest, broadly, it is the western or the white world. Unfortunately, as many of these people would point out, they are the ones who have victimized all the people of color. They are the ones who have created this scenario where these people have to flee their countries because otherwise they'd all just be beautiful paradises, of course, right? And so, we all have to come to the United States and punish them collectively for what they've done. And the libs believe this, of course, ultimately their coalition is one that is built around punishing red state middle America. That's what they just salivate about doing. So once again we see the practical political concerns of

37:17 the Democratic party meet the ideological and spiritual beliefs of their activists and that's really why they continue to go back to this strategy over and over again and this I think Oruron helps us to understand a kind of tacid alliance that is not always immediately visible right so the Trump administration on the one hand is cracking down on this uprising in LA on the other hand in a very different way it's cracking down let's say on places like Harvard uh and like Colombia and that might appear to be two completely disconnected sort of salvos by the Trump administration but you're saying no uh the there is a connection the there's an ideology that is being minted and disseminated in the Ivy

38:02 League. It creates, if you will, these ideological fanatics. These are the people who ultimately inspire the activists by telling them things like, "Your country has been stolen and the Mexicans really used to occupy LA. It's really theirs. So, if they wave the Mexican flag, they should be waving the Mexican flag because this really is originally part of Mexico, unjustly taken by the white man." So this is the connection between progressive ideology cultivated if you will at the top end and then the kind of throwing of rocks at police cars that we see occurring you may say at the bottom. Yeah. Samuel Francis in his book Leviathan and his enemies really underlied this dynamic. He talked about how most people

38:48 originally thought that the managerial left, the the uh the uh left that is in power and the activist left were at odds in some way that these were enemies. But ultimately actually these people were working in concert because they both wanted the destruction of the American bgeois life as we understand it now. They both had the same goal. Just one wanted to go faster and one wanted a controlled demolition that allowed them to stay in power. And what we've seen with the convergence of woke capitalism and the academic nexus between again uh maybe lower lowerass immigrant uh activism as opposed to this like uh upper class managerial ideology is that they meet in this moment where either way they're looking to deconstruct America as we understand it and replace

39:33 it with a system that puts them into power. And so while we might think that again you know Harvard or Yale or one of these schools should be very uh very far away from the ideas that are being disseminated in some kind of riot over uh uh ICE immigration. These kind of things ultimately they actually have the same goal and they're working handinand which is why we see the ideology come from the Ivy Leagues. We see the funding coming from the NOS's, but then we see the foot soldiers coming from the illegal immigrants and other leftist activists that are actually on the street. They're both working in concert even though they technically feel like separate entities. When we come back, Orin, I want to ask you about the Civil Rights Act of 1964

40:18 and this uh remarkable and insidious organization, the Community Relations Service, something I quite frankly am not even familiar with that plays a very active and and um it seems malevolent role uh on the issue of of civil rights. We'll be right back. I'm back with the one and only Oruron McIntyre, a host at the Blaze and host of the Oron McIntyre Show, also a columnist for The Blaze. Follow him on X at Oruron McIntyre, his book, The Total State: How Liberal Democracies Become Tyrannies. Oruron, you have a a very eyeopening Twitter thread on an organization called the Community Relations Service. An organization that

41:04 quite frankly I've been writing about civil rights for well a couple of decades at the least. And not an organization I'm even familiar with. It's an organization that appears to spring out of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and play a certain type of underground or fertive role. uh in a lot of the stuff that we've seen uh from um from BLM to affirmative action to perhaps even things going on in LA right now. Uh tell us a little bit about this group and what it does. So the community relations service is created by title 10 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It's a statutoily required office and originally its purpose is to smooth over race relations in the United

41:51 States. Right? We're doing a lot of integration and all these things, communities coming together. Understandably, there's going to be a lot of tension. It makes sense to empower some kind of agency perhaps to go in there and try to figure things out when things get hot. However, unfortunately, the uh uh the CRS is not some apolitical organization. It is specifically created with a political mission of furthering the Civil Rights Act. So, it's not just going in to smooth things over when they get hot. It's actively creating scenarios where it attempts to forcibly integrate different uh communities. And that's not just the black and white uh uh uh thing that we think it is. It's also a scenario where they're going in and encouraging different media outlets under pressure pressure of losing their FCC license to sell specific narratives

42:39 and hire specific people so that only certain information gets out about different events. They actively look to cover up or downplay uh violence, interracial violence, especially against white Americans by minorities. And in fact, the one of the founders of this organization, Bertrander Lavine, actually came out with a book telling all about what this organization was supposed to do. And he stated in that book that the purpose of the organization was to disrupt the quote unquote lily white towns across the United States and force them to meet the level of diversity, the model of diversity that he approved of. This organization has been uh involved in pushing trans kids. It's been involved in forcing what it calls black uh uh participation or uh black visibility.

43:24 And it has also been involved in placing mosques in all Christian towns. This is an organization that operates with a high level of sec secrecy because title 10 allows it a number of privileges including being able to hide most of its notes notes, not be subject to the normal freedom of information act requirements, and it even has the ability to invoke a special privilege where it doesn't have to testify in front of Congress or courts in certain situations. So what I take you to be saying is that ostensively this organization is supposed to be a kind of a racial mediator. Uh it's supposed to kind of you know A is fighting with B. Hey guys, let's sit around the table. Let's work this out. And you give it a lot of

44:09 latitude because after all if someone's a mediator they need to have some flexibility to be able to operate given, you know, given a given situation. Um and then of course you have this rather benign goals of the Civil Rights Act which almost everyone would agree to, right? There should be nondiscrimination on the basis of race or gender. And people go, "Oh, that sounds like a really good that sounds like, you know what Martin Luther King was all about. It's it sounds like a a colorblind society. It sounds like a white guy and a black guy apply for a job. The black guy is more qualified. The white guy gets the job. That's an injustice that needs to be rectified. And I think what you're saying is that under this rather um anodine banner, you have all this

44:56 other stuff that is being pushed that has almost not not only has nothing to do with these goals, but is in fact quite different from those goals. Uh so for example, you know, if you have uh if you have violence from a white guy against a black guy, yeah, that's a hate crime. But if you have violence in the other direction, we got to look the other way. and and and and not note the racial character of the incident at all. So, how does how does a bureaucracy that is so different from the supposed goals of the Civil Rights Act become enscconced in there? Or a second possibility, the Civil Rights Act was never what it was purported to be. Well, and that's the big thing, right? I think as you say, most Americans look at the

45:42 1964 Civil Rights Act and they say, "Yeah, of course, I don't want discrimination. I don't want people who, you know, can't get a home or can't get a job because of their race. That that's not what I'm looking for in the United States. Unfortunately, as we know, that's not what the Civil Rights Act ended up doing. Yeah. The 1964 Civil Rights Act said that, but by the time you had different judges and amendments added on to this thing, it became a monster. Only a few years later, we got Griggs versus Duke Power, which created disperate impact. And most people in the United States don't know this, but any type of difference in group outcomes is assumed to be de facto discrimination in the United States. So, for instance, the Sheets uh uh uh convenience store chain had a scenario where they were background checking their uh employees to make sure they didn't have a criminal record. And they lost a civil rights

46:28 lawsuit from the federal government because the background check revealed too many minorities with criminal records who therefore couldn't get hired. And therefore that's discrimination under the Civil Rights Act. That's actually how we operate. And the same kind of perversion happened to the CRS. Its mission was no longer just to solve these problems, but actually to facilitate many of the political understandings of the civil rights revolution. This includes working with disciples of Saulinsky to allow controlled race riots in the 1960s, ones that were allowing the rioting but weren't going to get so bad the white community might have some kind of backlash. This also means marching out the families of victims of racial crimes in order to try to downplay him. As you point out, if a white person, especially a white cop, has some kind of violence

47:15 towards a black criminal, this is the biggest thing in the world. We have to care about it. We have to make it the nightly news story for the rest of the month. Maybe we even write about it. But when a person of color kills a white American, all of a sudden, we deploy the CRS. We grab their uh relative, their grieving relative. We march them out on camera and you'll notice the pattern over and over again. It's usually an older male. He goes out, he talks about how really the crime, we shouldn't be focusing on the perpetrator. We shouldn't be focusing on the motivation. We should care about the goodness of the victim and we should be focusing on the life of the victim and all the accomplishments that they had. This isn't some kind of mistake. This is something the CRS does on purpose. They send handlers and sit down with these families and encourage them to make these statements. Many people speculate under duress, though again hard to know

48:01 due to the level of secrecy that they have. These are guys who are on the ground for the Trayvon Martin incident and went ahead and stage managed the entire thing front to back. They've done this multiple times. That's why we see this pattern. I mean, I don't know if this group was involved, but you s I saw something of this script play out with Carmelo Anthony. You know, you remember the press conference, there was the lawyer there. In fact, this seemed to be a case where the victim's father was not playing the approved role even though he had made some public statements saying this is not about race and so on. The fact that he showed up to this press conference sort of disrupted the stage management and so they tried to get him to leave. So what you're saying is that a lot of the a lot of the supposedly spontaneous things that we

48:48 see in the name of race and now apparently also gender and trans issues and so on are choreographed events with this agency doing some of the puppeteering from the background. Is this something that Congress would need to repeal or is it something that Trump could uh bring down with an executive order? So, the good news is that the Trump administration has already contacted me and let let me know that the uh uh the funding for the CRS is going to be cut in the new bill as soon as as soon as the new budget is passed. Part of it is zeroing out the budget for that organization. So, the good news is that basically they would not be able to operate under the Trump administration. However, what we know is that anything

49:34 that has been defunded can be refunded. And unfortunately, due to the statuto statutory requirement of Title 10, the Trump administration cannot simply get rid of the CRS. All it can do is defund it. In order to permanently remove this heinous organization, you would either need to amend the Civil Rights Act or you would need to remove the Civil Rights Act. Unless you do that, it's going to continue to hang around. Wow. Guys, I've been talking to Aaron McIntyre. He is the host of the Oron McIntyre Show, columnist for The Blaze. Follow him on X at Oruron McIntyre and the book. Check it out. The total state, how liberal democracies become tyrannies. Oruron, as always, thank you very much for joining me. Thanks again. Subscribe to the Desh Duza podcast on Apple, Google, and Spotify, or watch on

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