Joe Rogan Experience #2334 - Kash Patel

0:01 Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. All right. What's going on, man? How you doing, Joe? Very good to see you, sir. Thanks for having me, Austin. What is it like to be the head of the FBI? How weird is that? It's completely effing wild. I mean, I don't even know how to describe it. What was it? What did you think it was going to be like and what was different once you got in there? Um, I thought that we were going to be able to come in with the movement that President Trump came in with the administration to fix this, fix the errors that the leadership of the FBI

0:48 previously made, not like the 37,000 change people. And we are we're doing a ton of work. Um, I didn't know we would be able to do it this quickly is my surprise. And that what that showed me was the people at the bureau, literally people who've been there, 30-year agents, they're coming up to me like, dude, we wanted to do that 15 years ago. Really, we wanted to do that 10 years ago. And then my question was like, you guys are the pros. Like, I'm just my job as the director. I'm not chasing down bad guys. I don't know how to do that. Is to give them what you need and get the hell out of the way. And they were like, dude, all they did was get in the way. So like what like what kind of stuff specifically specifically did you start doing that they wanted to do 15 years ago? Simple. the one that I've taken the biggest heat for, you know, when I said,

1:36 "Hey, there are these are the statistics from the USG, so you can take them or leave them, right? I don't know where else to go because nobody else does these, right?" In the last calendar year, not this one, the year before, last, a 100,000 people were dying of drug overdoses a year. That's one every seven minutes. A child or kid was being raped every six and a half minutes in this country. And there were two homicides an hour in this country. and we have a 38,000 person workforce. And I said, "Okay, where are where are the agents? Where are intel analysts? Where is everybody? We got 55 field offices. We got 300 what we call RAS, resident agencies. So satellite offices to field offices, major cities." And they said, "Well, we've got 11,000 FBI employees in what we call the NCR, the National Capital Region. So if you

2:22 take DC and you do a 50 mile, 60 mile radius around it, 11,000, almost a third of the workforce work there." They said, 'What the hell are they doing there? They said, 'Well, they mandated if you want a promotion, if you want to move up, you got to come back here and prioritize stuff here. So, I said, 'Look, we're moving agents and intel analysts to the field. And that's what I did. 1500 people are going to the field because a third of the crime doesn't happen in Washington DC and the 65 miles around it. And everybody was like, we've been wanting to do this forever. I mean, just think about it. One agent out in Indian country, one agent out in Texas, Arkansas, Washington State, prevents a homicide, conducts a major drug bust, stops a ton of fentanyl or meth from coming into our country. One agent can do that. And the agents that I talk to

3:07 now from around the country are just stoked. That's awesome. That's great news. That really is great news because the fentinel thing scares the [ __ ] out of me. It really does. Well, it's one of the things I want to hammer down on, but whenever you want to get into that. Yeah, please. Yeah. It's so terrifying because, you know, we've shown it on the podcast, the amount that'll kill you. Yeah. It's so small. It's like the the tip of a pencil. Yeah. It's like point something something milligrams. It's it's nothing. I'll give you I I put this to big programming. I love doing this long form stuff and this is the only long form interview I'm going to do. I hope you know. Thank you. I do one interview. I do one interview a month. One. And it's usually like a five minute TV thing just to keep a breast. And we do a lot of stuff on social media. But I've been looking forward to this for a long time. Even when I was on

3:53 the campaign, I was just uh this is like the best way to get information out. So fentinel, right? Everybody's like, "How do you attack fentinel? How do you stop this stuff?" Okay. Yes. Let's go after the gangs, excuse me, the uh narot terrorists down in Mexico. 100%. You got to go after the cartels, the drug trafficking organizations. You got to shore up the southern border. And the president has done an amazing job at both of those things. made it a priority. So we have decreased the amount of fentinol being moved around let's say right but not necessarily coming into the United States. So where's the root of the problem? The CCP. So the fentinol precursors the stuff you need to make fentinol comes from mainland China. That's it. Now I'm sure like 1% of it comes from somewhere

4:39 else in the world but that's where it comes. They've got hundreds of companies standing up in mainland China shipping this stuff out into the world. Now, their cover is that fentinol has and it does have a legitimate lawful purpose in terms of an anesthetic or medical use for um anesthesiology related stuff. Okay? So, there's like a minimal use for it. And what the CCP has done is they've come out and said this is like the biggest like talk about the devil pulling the wool over the world's eyes. They're like, "We don't make fentinol." They're right. They don't. They just give you all the ingredients for it and ship it to Mexico. And then what they did was to trick the world. They came out and said, "Hey, we're going to not sell precursor

5:26 X." They're like, "So now we're out of the fentanyl trade entirely." The problem is there's 14 other precursors you can use to make fentinol and they're still shipping all of those. So what we did when I got to the bureau is we stood up this massive enterprise to go after fentinyl precursor companies in mainland China and they're probably not going to like that. And what they're doing now to get cute is they're shipping that stuff not straight to here. They're going to places like India and I'm also doing operations in India and they're having the Mexican cartels now make this fentinol down in Mexico still. But you know instead of going right up the southern border and into America, you know what they're doing? They're flying it into Vancouver. They're taking the precursors up to Canada, manufacturing it up there and doing their global

6:12 distribution routes from up there because we were been so effective down south. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a it's a huge lift. Part of it is Americans just don't understand the depth and depravity of fentinol. But what's worse is fentinol. You don't hear fentinol debts in China. You don't hear fentinol debts in India. You don't really hear fentinol debts in England, Australia, New Zealand or five eyes partners in Canada. The Chinese, in my opinion, the CCP, have used it as a directed approach because we are their adversary and they don't like us and we don't like what they're doing when it comes to fentinol. And their long-term game is is this. How do I, in my opinion, kneecap the United States of

6:57 America, our largest adversary? Well, why don't we go and take out generations of young men and women who might grow up to serve in the United States military or become a cop or become a teacher? And that's what they're doing when you wipe out tens of thousands of Americans a year. It's a long-term plan for them. Oh, that is such a dark dark thing. It is. But we got we got we're on it. What else could be done like with the Chinese companies? I mean, has there ever been any negotiation with Xi Jinping, with the United States, or the like where you could lighten up tariffs or do something and make some sort of a deal or is it just so profitable for them that they're going to do it no

7:43 matter what if they can? Here's the thing, they're not making a ton of money off of it, right? So, it's really just for that purpose. You could send you could sell fentanyl precursors and unless you jacked up the price to exorbitant amounts of money, they're not making a ton of money. And so it's an all of government approach. So I'm working with guys like the secretary of treasury to do sanctions on some of these companies. Right? Then I'm working with our five eyes partners. And our five eyes are the five English speaking countries in the world. You know, uh Canada, America, England, uh New Zealand, and Australia, right? We share intelligence. We share classified intelligence on this stuff. So I'm asking them, I said, "Hey, it's not just affecting us. It will affect you and your population. the CCP just hasn't directed it at you yet and they know that. And I said, "Guys, I need your

8:28 help. I'm looking at intelligence reporting that shows fentinol precursors are now in your country. The fentinol itself isn't being deployed into your country, but it's there being manufactured." And so I'm asking for their help to shut down those factories and production facilities. And I'm asking the Mexican government's help to come and say, "Hey, your drug trafficking organizations are now exporting the manufacturing of fentinyl and getting creative in the ways in which they obtain fentinel precursors." So they'll say, "Oh, we didn't get it from China. We got it from India. We got it from, you know, wherever." And they're it's too cute by a half. It's not like there's been a reduction in the amount of fentinol precursors that mainland China produces. What there has been a reduction in is is

9:13 President Trump's administration's aggressive approach to just crush the fentinel trafficking. And unfortunately, our adversaries adapt. We're so good down south on the border here. And we're so good in Mexico that they're moving it elsewhere. Jesus. We're going to get them. I promise you. I promise the president, the American people, we will not have kids dying of fentinyl overdoses in our streets. just give me a little bit more time. We have a massive operation going on around the world on this. Well, that's great news. That's it's great to hear. So, um the the fentinel a lot of it is it's not just fentinel overdoses, right? It's it's opiate overdoses overall. How much is a lot of it because people get hooked on pills and like and then they want

10:01 more and then they buy black market pills and those are the ones that have fentinyl in it or is it Molly and things like that that have been laced with fentinyl? So great question. Nobody asks these questions. It's probably why your show's number one. Um they are so demonic in their ways. They're like, "We'll make fentinol and people can go use fentinol and get killed on fentinyl." Then what they do is they manufacture as part of this lift, they being the drug trafficking organizations once they get the precursors from the CCP, they take their pill presses and they make fake oxycodon. So like literally, I'm just giving you an example, make tens of thousands of pills of fakes oxycodon and we we bust them for it. And in that fake pill is fentinyl. It's laced with fentinyl that

10:48 kills people. Then the drug trafficking organizations to make it appealing for the youth shape this illicit narcotic in the form of like candy and gummy bears. So you hear about kids in New York who just might have happen to have like a trace amount touching it somewhere also dying from it. So they have absolutely no rules or boundaries whatsoever when it comes to how they deploy fentinol to get into our population. It could be through another drug. It could be through a synthetic. It could be through a fake drug. Or it could be like, "Hey, and we've seized it. Thousands of pounds of material that looks like candy." Are they doing it specifically to try to get people to overdose on candy or are they selling this candy as a drug? They're selling it as a drug. Okay. And they're

11:33 just saying it looks like candy. It just looks appealing to kids, right? Like so inner city youth, they're like, "Hey, put a pill down on the table. Put a gummy bear down on the table." you know, a younger person to be like, "Oh, that's cool. Let me try that." I mean, I can tell you stories from now until the entire show about high school kids on the verge of graduating and they went out and took a pill that they thought was, you know, an upper, but it happened to be laced with fentinyl. They died. Their parents are calling. They're destroyed. And people are like, "Well, we got to go after the drug traffickers." I'm like, "We do." And we are. But what my job is to educate the American public on the root cause of the fentinol that is destroying our society and it's the fentinel precursors. And I've asked I literally just got off the

12:20 phone with the Indian government. I said I need your help. This stuff's coming into your country and then they're moving it from your country because India is not consuming fentinel. They're not. No one's dying over there from fentinel. But I need you and your help. So, my FBI is over there working with the heads of their government, law enforcement authorities, to say, "We're going to find these companies that buy it, and we're going to shut them down. We're going to sanction them. We're going to arrest them where we can. We're going to indict them in America if we can. We're going to indict them in India if we can. Start indicting in places like Canada and the UK and England and Australia." This is a global problem. And the reason it's gotten so bad is because nobody did anything for four years. You know, people are like, "How do they stand this up?" Well, if you give the CCP, who has an endless amount of money to deploy in human capital,

13:06 that's what happens. It metastasizes. Why didn't anybody do anything for four years? Have you been able to figure that out? Look, to me, I'm a national security guy, and anything that kills a 100,000 people a year is a national security crisis, right? It's what we call a tier one threat. And the last administration did not classify the drug trafficking enterprise as a prime threat against the American people. And so what happens is you reorient the system of intelligence collection operations. I mean, I'm not making this up. They said climate change is our biggest priority. DEI is our biggest priority. I mean, you guys have heard this and you've had guests on that say it, but these are the ramifications in real life. I only have X amount of people that can target something, right? Same with the CIA.

13:53 Same with the DoD. But if the United States government and Uncle Sam and your commander-in-chief said, "Hey, I need your x amount of people looking here. I can't clone that army to look back at fentinel." Plus, we have to follow the chain of command. It's so crazy that they would say climate change and DEI were the priorities for the FBI. Well, for the government. For the government in total. So, I'll give you a better example. So, I was in the end of the last Trump administration, I was chief of staff at the Department of Defense. one of the greatest jobs at the time. I thought the greatest job I'd ever have. And when we left, we said, "Hey, you know, Iran's a huge threat. We got to uh never let up on the counterterrorism mission. We still have hostages out there we got to find and bring home. And the narcotics mission is a big priority. We handed off our playbook." And we

14:39 said, "Look, this is not a political issue. This is protecting the American people and our allies. So, we hope you guys continue this effort." So, the DoD has this thing called KONOPS, concept of operations. The Department of Defense has three million employees and a conop is how you move the machine of the Department of Defense. Hey, we have a threat in Indoaccom. How many carrier groups are we sending down there? We got a threat uh with government X. What are we doing operationally, kinetically? What are we doing intelligence collection? That's a con. The first concept of operation that the Biden administration launched at the Department of Defense was on climate change. You can't make this [ __ ] up. What do you think that's all about? Like as an outsider, as someone like looking at it going, I just don't understand.

15:25 Like where's the profit in this? Like what what is what's the motive? Like what would incentivize all these people to get on board with it without someone logically stepping in and saying, "Hey, this is not our top priority." I think at its so that was something I tried to answer when I was out of government for the last four years before I took this job and the answer laid in the first Trump term. We were doing things so effectively on national security that hadn't been done before in such speed and volume that the media hated us for it because the the other party had tried to do it and failed. What what things specifically? So when

16:10 it comes to Okay, hostages. I could talk about that forever, too. Used to be counterterrorism was a big portfolio. I ran it for the White House and National Security Council in the first Trump administration. We brought home, people don't know this. President Trump in his first term brought home and rescued over 50 hostages and detainees from around the world. That's more than every president before him combined. Wow. Did you hear about the the successes of reuniting families with lost loved ones from Africa and the Middle East or these operations that the president was courageous enough to greenlight to go into places like Afghanistan and do these hostage rescue ops and use Seal Team 6 and Delta or take out guys like Baghdaddy and Solomaini? President Trump's directive was simple. We are going to protect the homeland. we're not

16:56 going to endanger the lives of our armed forces and our intelligence community, but their job is to protect the homeland. And he said, "Go and we went." And I think there was such a resounding success that the media had such a hatred for President Trump and his administration. They just said, "One, we're not going to give you the credit. Two, we're going to put out a ton of disinformation, which we can get into. And three, when they came time to transition governments from Trump to Biden, they just said, "We're not going to do, and this is my opinion, we're not going to do any of the stuff that worked because then we'll have to attribute it to Trump's policies. So, we're going to go off on our end." And I keep asking people to prove me wrong. Like, tell me something you did in that administration

17:41 that carried out the apolitical national security mission to a tea. Right? I mean, you had the Secretary of Defense in the Biden administration go down, go to a hospital, MIA, literally awall, and didn't tell the commander-in-chief and broke the National Command Authority. There is a reason and I was a guy responsible for the nuclear football for a part of my time at the White House that that thing and there is an unbroken chain of command between president of the United States, the secretary of defense and the national command authority at all times because [ __ ] happens. And what if it had happened in that one or two weeks the guy was in the hospital and maybe something did and we don't even know, right? But no one, including the president, didn't know the Secretary of Defense was in the hospital. I can't tell you how big of a

18:28 cataclysmic failure for the national security mission that is. And what I tell people when they're like, "It's all right. It's not that big of a deal." What if Hexath took a week out and said, "I'm going to the hospital. I'm not telling anyone." What do you think the media would do to that guy and Trump if that were to happen now? Yeah. It would be catastrophic. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so this person went to the hospital for what? What was the I keep losing my flame. You got the Isn't the letter over there? I got it. Yeah, you got it. What was uh what were they in the hospital for? So, Secretary Austin was in the hospital for medical issues. And I'm not saying you shouldn't have Right. But there should be someone else that's there's a plan in place. The Deputy Secretary of Defense comes in, you know, every time a

19:13 senior goes out, there is a continuity of government plan in place. Oh, you're out for a weekend treatment. No problem. But they just hid all this. They hit it. That's That's insane. And we broke it. We we discovered it and we broke it. And it wasn't the only time he did it. It was the second time or the guy would end up doing it another time. Why would they do that? Just to hide the fact that they're sick. Well, that I think is up for debate. Like people are old and they get sick. Like no big deal. You know, everybody needs treatment. Everybody's got to go to Walter Re. Do you think that he thought it would hurt him politically if he looked weak? I'm not Yeah, I don't know. Speculation. Yeah, I don't know if I can answer that. I just and and the secretary at the time, Secretary Lloyd Austin, was like a 45 year military man. It's not like this was new to him. He'd been doing it his

19:58 whole life. Next man up, you know. So, he had made a decision to try to keep it private intentionally. And he would come out later to say, "Well, oh, I just wanted to keep it private." And I said, "Hey, man. Your life when you're the Secretary of Defense, director of the FBI, director of CIA, it ain't about being private. That's gone. You signed up to serve the mission. And when you do that knowingly, you have literally violated the National Command Authority. Wow. So, you were saying there's a bunch of misinformation that was put out. Yeah. Or disinformation. Like, what was that? Pick it. So, my thing is all roads lead to Russia Gate, right? That's where it all started. I was uh coming out of uh my tour at J- Sock as a civilian and and DOJ and um I

20:48 would end up going to Congress to run this thing called Russia Gate, which at the time no one knew anything. It was just a whatever and then it became what it became. And I would be the guy, the lead investigator on the Hill who said, "Hey man, look, they lied in the FISA application." Let me give you Russia Gate in 96. Okay. Could you imagine a time in the United States of America in the 21st century where a political party would go overseas and acquire fake foreign intelligence from a foreign intelligence officer funded by donations to that political party in the United States of America. then take that material, package it, walk it to the FBI, literally, and say, "Hey, we need you to surveil the opponent of our political party who happens to be running for the

21:34 president of the United States, then convince the FBI to go into a secret federal FISA court that I used to use to manhunt terrorists and say, "Hey, I need you to wiretap essentially all the comms in and around Trump camp because of the material we gave you." and then have that FBI lie to the federal court and the judge in that warrant application, which is a felony, and intentionally remove information of innocence from that application just to get it above the threshold so the judge would sign it. That's Russia gate. That's what they did. And you remember the years and years of reporting surrounding Russia. The FBI would never lie. They would never do that. The leadership there is above reproach. James Comey, Andy McCabe, Peter Stro, the list goes on. We caught him red-handed. We caught him.

22:19 You've seen the text messages. You've seen the documentation. You've seen the reports. But when I did that, when I exposed that initially as a staffer on the Hill, Adam Schiff comes out and has his cronies leak to the world that I am acting as as a genocidal dictator. There was actually an article that called me genocidal. Hang on, it gets better. Dictator. Yeah. No, it gets better. How do you get to be a dictator? I don't know. genocidal ones, let alone, right? Like, you know, it's it's a twofer. That's his words don't even mean anything anymore. No, he literally there's an article out there that they called me Torquamada, the guy from the Spanish Inquisition. Jesus Christ. And I was a staffer. So, the rule was you can ding elected representatives all you want in the

23:05 media. You don't touch staffers. They didn't care because they knew what I had on earth was the biggest political criminal scheme ever perpetrated by portions of the FBI leadership and other people in the intelligence community in coordination with the media in coordination and who could have investigated it. But hang on, that's the kicker. So what people don't know about Russia gate that weren't paying attention was that warrant that initially kicked off the FISA surveillance on the Trump campaign at large was substantiated by FBI leaks to the media. Two of the articles cited in that warrant from uh I think Mother Jones and Yahoo News were leaks of information from the same leadership at the FBI, Peter Stro, Andy McCabe, James Comey and

23:52 company. And then they in the application be like, "Hey, it's not just us saying that Trump's a Russian asset, right? Look at this article, Mr. Judge, on the federal FISA court." And they included it in that application. So this was a coordinated conspiracy to take down your political opponent by weaponizing government. And now I say that now in 2025 when I said that in 2017 whatever it was people were like you're out of your effing mind. And I was like look man I'm just showing you the facts. I'm not making this up. I'm showing you the application. I'm showing you the documentation. And that's when they came after me. Um and it hasn't stopped ever since. But the the damage they did they the media and the people

24:38 that wanted to take out Trump and I didn't care what you thought about and remember back then I hadn't met Trump. Never spoken to him. didn't know him. I took that job at Congress on one condition. I said, "Whatever we find, we're putting out." I'd been in for 16 years at that point. Democrats, Republicans. I was a national security guy, intel guy. That's what I wanted to do. Chase terrorists, chase bad guys, bring hostages home and help protect the homeland. And I said, I didn't know if Trump did this. I didn't know if he was colluding with whoever. I didn't know it would turn out like this that they would actually manufacture and make it up. But half of America to this day still believes the narrative that the CNN's of the world pushed for five years. And if you look on their shows now, Russia Gate keeps coming back up because we keep exposing the documents that showed how

25:23 bad these guys were. And most Americans like, "No, no, they're already convinced." So in order to fix that disease temple, it is just that much harder of a lift for me to go back into the FBI. we're going to get it done. But it takes so much more communication and so much more energy to get after the American people and say, "You were lied to." Because that's the hardest thing I think people can ever admit to themselves. You were lied to. I went out for years and created a life cycle out of this lie of Russia gate. I went on TV. I made money. I wrote books. I sold political advertisements based on it. I I educated my children based on it because I thought it was the truth. And some of them have come back and said, "Yeah, we got it

26:09 wrong." But most haven't. And that's the disinformation seed in my opinion that started it all. And then you could talk about things like January 6th or, you know, pick your poison, rescuing hostage or what have you. The media just never got on board. They kneecaped Trump from the beginning by participating in the Russia gate uh collusion conspiracy with the FBI. It's so crazy that someone could do something like that and a whole enormous group of people could do something like that with no repercussions and to be able to operate and you know say they're the trusted source in news and you were part of something that was one of the biggest scandals in political history. Mhm. But just because of because it's targeted towards Trump, people look the other way. Like if that

26:56 was targeted towards Obama, could you imagine how psychotic the response would be? People would be up in arms and furious. But the same people that would be up in arms and furious if somebody tried to do that for Obama are completely silent if it's happening to Trump. Yeah. Just think about it. What if me as the FBI director in the Trump administration, right, during a presidential cycle went out there and said, "Hey, Republican National Committee, do you guys have dirt on whoever's running for the Democratic nomination to be president of the United States? If you don't, can you go overseas and pay a foreign national who used to be an MI6 guy? Get me some bogus intel. Then I, as the FBI director, will authorize a warrant. I'll leak to the media while I'm doing it. take their articles, put it in that warrant, and then go surveil the opponent so he

27:42 doesn't get elected. I would be in prison, which I should be for doing anything like that. Crazy. And that's what people want accountability for. And that's what you asked me at the beginning of the show, you know, what's the hardest part? I'm like, hey, I'm the guy that is exposing and giving you the accountability from 2017 onwards, but I wasn't the guy in charge of putting people in prison and arresting them for this conduct. And so the other education campaign I have to go on is there's this thing called the statute of limitations. I can't prosecute people for their crimes in the past as the statute of limitations has run. And I'll give you a great example that goes right back to Russia gate. So one of the big uh systems I've created maybe because of my time in Russia gate is I'm committed to

28:28 congressional oversight. I'm committed to giving Congress the documents they need to do their work and give them to the American people. Unredacted, no classification BS. You want it, you get it. So, we we just think about this. Me at the director of the FBI, the former Russia gate guy, when I first got to the bureau, found a room that Comey and others hid from the world in the Hoover building full of documents and computer hard drives that no one had ever seen or heard of. Locked the key and hit access and just said, "No one's ever going to find this place." What? Yeah. So, my guys are going through that right now. What's in there?

29:14 A lot of stuff. I mean, that's the thing. People are like, "Well, okay, go arrest him." And I'm like, "Okay, well, how about you let me run a methodical investigation while I give over information." One of the things we gave over before this uh the room deal was I don't know if you remember who Nelly or is. It doesn't really matter. Nelly's husband, Bruce, was like the number four at the Department of Justice, and he was the one who introduced the world to Christopher Steel, the guy that started Russia. Well, the entire time her husband was doing that at DOJ, she Nelly or was working on an outside contract to dig up dirt on Donald Trump. So, she goes to the Hill and testifies as a result of our investigation right under oath. She said, "I never worked," and I'm paraphrasing, "I never worked with my husband on any of that. I would never do that." What a grassly put out just

30:01 yesterday, two days ago. The Nelly documentation that the FBI hid to the world that we gave them where Nelly is caught red-handed providing information to her husband. Thumb drives related to Trump Russia collusion directly proving that Nelly lied to Congress. Felony can't prosecute her. Statute of limitations is gone. That's just one example. Wow. What a dirty business. Yeah, I hate it. Politics is just it is just the dirtiest and in this age of transparency because of you know the internet and social media and independent news like everybody knows about it now. Like if this if if CNN and you know and all

30:46 these left-wing news sources MSNBC and it was only Fox on the right and that was all we had and we had no internet all this would be completely secret. No one would have known the the Russia gate collusion that that all that stuff would be people would really think it's a true story. It would probably take decades before someone wrote a book where people started to really take it seriously and really realize that there was something [ __ ] up about it. Yeah. Um I'm not allowed to plug my book, so I won't. But I did write You can plug your book. Why can't you plug your book? I think there's some rules on it about I can plug your book. What's your book? Give it to me. Here you go. This one's for you anyway. Government gangsters. Government Gangsters by Cash Patel. Go buy it. Plugged. You didn't plug it. I did. I love it. The Did you do the audio? Yeah. You read

31:33 it? Oh, I I got somebody to to do it. I My voice is not for radio or TV. Oh, come on, man. You got a great voice. I appreciate that. It's uh it's taken time and a lot of cigars to get to hear. It would be good for you to read it. They should let you read it. Well, I mean, what's in But the reason I wrote it is one, I never thought I was going back in a government service. And two, part of the job to completing the mission was exposing what people didn't ever think could happen in the United States of America. And it was not just disinformation, misinformation, but your government and leaders in government weaponizing it for political purposes. Not just FBI and DOJ, but others in the IC. And what it shows you is the back end of that, too. The rewards, right? the guys that wrapping it back up or

32:19 reversing it back up. The guys that were in charge of Russia gate at the FBI, Andy McCabe, right? Remember what this guy did? Andy McCabe agreed to set in motion a plan with the deputy attorney general, Rod Rosenstein, at the time to have him wear a wire into the Oval Office to record President Trump. That those documents we found, we released them. Whoa. Put that aside. While Andy McCay was in charge of the Trump Russia gate collusion investigation, his wife was running for political office in the state of Virginia. Do you know who's funding her campaign for political office to $600,000? Hillary Clinton world, who happened to be running against Donald Trump. Do you know what Andy McCabe did? He leaked information about the Clinton investigation to the

33:06 media unlawfully as the deputy director of the FBI. got caught by us, then lied about it to federal authorities, and that's the reason Andy McCay was dismissed. Do you know what the Biden administration did? They allowed him to retire out of the FBI with full benefits. Wow. He got rewarded. You know what he does now? He's on CNN. You know who's also on CNN? Peter Stro, the head of the counter intelligence unit that had that affair with Lisa Page, who basically put out those text messages, who was running that investigation with Andy McCabe and said, "Trump people smell in Walmart and we're never going to let them win. I have an insurance policy." That guy's on CNN. So, they get

33:53 rewarded for putting on this disinformation campaign, for this illegal activity because the media will never correct or some portion of the media will never correct the record. Remember, these guys got Pulitzers. New York Times, same thing. These guys got the biggest award in journalism. They were proven wrong, not by me, by the own evidence created by, you know, how I caught these guys? Because these guys were so arrogant, they would write everything down. And I found the documents. Why would they write everything down? They're so arrogant. They think, "No one's going to catch us. I'm going to write everything down. We're going to put it in a lock box. We're going to put it in a vault, and no one's going to find it." Well, you know what? I found the vault, and now I'm going to work. Wow. Now, is there a statute of limitations on those crimes?

34:38 So, generally the statute of limitations on crimes for process crimes that we call them, it's five years. But if you can tie them to an overarching conspiracy, there is no statute of limitations. So, if there was more egregious conduct that no one knew about before that we are just finding and we are investigating, then we'll have to relook at it. The one thing we will do is put out all that information to the American public. Once we actually get through it and we'll give it to Congress and if we can work with our partners at DOJ to come up with a prosecution that'll be their decision, we'll we'll do it. The disturbing thing about all this to me is how people on the left are willing to look the other way because this is a just a dangerous precedent. If if the federal government is doing this

35:24 and they're doing this to someone who you consider an enemy, what's to stop this from doing it against your candidate, like this is unprecedented behavior that's tolerated and coordinated with the media. Like that's dangerous for the country. It's d but people are so ideologically captured. They're so they're so locked in to their party and by any means necessary, we got to get Trump out. And they push that narrative so hard that they're willing to do a very unamerican thing. Yeah. And my goal now that I'm back in government is to make sure this doesn't happen again ever. That's the goal. How can you do that? How can you make sure it doesn't happen again? Ever? Exposing it all. And I know there are people and

36:11 look, people keep calling me and saying, "When are you going to arrest every when you going to go out there and arrest everybody that did everything to Donald Trump?" I was like, first of all, you guys were barking at people who were in the seat before me to do that, and they didn't. They failed. The difference between me and that guy is one, I'm the guy that exposed it. Two, I didn't tell you this. I was the guy they targeted. So, while I was doing the Russia gate investigation, do you know what Trump's own DOJ, Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general of the Department of Justice, Christopher Ray, then director of the FBI, did to me and a dozen other staffers who were working Russia Gate. They subpoenaed all of our information while I was running the Russia Gate investigation. We wouldn't find out for 5 years. You want to know why? Because these guys were so vindictive. They went

36:57 to the federal court, not only got a search warrant, they got a judge to say to all the telecom companies, Google, Facebook, everybody else, your banking companies, everybody, do not tell them for 5 years that we authorized this subpoena. So, I just found that out last year. Wow. This is how hard This is what I'm trying to show. It's not a Republican and dem or Democratic thing, right? It's an all hands-on approach to protect the leadership that was so corrupt, to protect themselves and their actions and their friends. My mission is to educate the world that this happened. And as director of the FBI of responsibility, I'm not just going to bring a case because somebody hurt me. They did and they continue to do it. [ __ ] my house just got swatted yesterday. What? Yeah,

37:44 but you got swatted. Oh, yeah. the head of the FBI gets swatted. Yeah. Yeah. These people play it's it's the ultimate height of hypocrisy. They have two sets of rules. One against you and one for them. And what I want to do is lay out that entire body of work for the American people with Congress. And I'm doing it with guys like uh Grassly and Jordan and Kennedy and Ran Paul on CO 19 and we could talk about the origins. We actually have some pretty cool developments on that front and let the American people know that my mission has always been to put out the truth whatever the consequences are whoever it's against. Like I did

38:30 when I signed up for Russia. If Donald Trump was a Russian asset and I proved it, I was telling the world that that's what matters. And if we can hold people accountable in terms of indictments, then we'll work with our partners at DOJ. But what I'm asking people is don't trust me. I don't care about that. Look at what I have done and what we have done. That's the guy that's now in charge of the FBI. His leadership team is in place. We've got great partners at DOJ. We're the ones working on all this stuff. And and look, let's just let's just get to it because I know it's on people's minds. Epstein, right? The reason people are pissed off about that is the same same thing, right? 20 years ago or whenever it was 2006,78, Epste gets his sweetheart plea deal,

39:15 right? Right. After committing the most horrific crimes on planet Earth, right? I wasn't in I wasn't in power there. I wasn't in place there. I, you know, nothing to do with it. But people were rightfully pissed. I mean, this guy was committing the most grotesque ask acts you can against children. And the media spins up about it. many in the media protected him. Why? Because of his relationships, who he knew, who his bankers were, who his colleagues were, who was on the island and stuff like that. Some pretty powerful human beings. And so when you peel back the the layer and then you and then what happened? The Trump administration the last go round decided, "No, no, we're not going to let that go. We're going to investigate him." Right? They charge him, they indict him, and he's awaiting trial. And I've said it, Dan Bonino said it.

40:02 We've reviewed all the information and the American public is going to get as much as we can release. He killed himself. Do you think, let's play out the logical conclusion of this, do you think that myself, Bonino, and others would participate in hiding information about Epstein's grotest activities? Or do you think we would also participate in not prosecuting people? We had evidence to prosecute people on. But the problem is there's been like 15 years of people coming in and creating fictions about this that doesn't exist. Where's the videotape of an Ipsy island of X, Y, and Z committing these frauds? Why haven't you given it to us? Do you really think I wouldn't give that to you if it existed? I'm

40:48 working my ass off along with the leadership at the bureau and DOJ to get you what we're allowed to give you. And you're going to get the video of the cell and you're going to see for yourself. and we will never be able to convince everyone. Okay, let's let's get into that. So, what did you think before you got in office? Did you think that Epstein was murdered? No, no suspicion at all of it. But I have a different background. Right. Right. So, I was a public defender back in the day. I used to spend a lot of time in jails and a lot of time in segregated housing units, shoes as we call them. Right. And so, um, and I've known people that have committed suicide in these cells and I know how you get in, how you get out, who works the system. And so, the way

41:33 based on public information at the time that he ended up put the pictures and him hanging himself, I was like, man, that guy killed himself. It's there's just no way that you could have run an op and had people go into that cell and not have any video of it and not have any people come out and say, "Hey, yeah, I saw that guy. He shouldn't have been there. The guard or this guy." There's just no access points into places like this in the detention center he was in. Which I've been in. So, correct me if I'm wrong, but what I was told, what I'd read was that the guards were not paying attention or were sleeping. Well, yeah. And in short order, you'll see it. Is that is that correct? Well, it's hard to surmise that from a video, right? Like where they like, you know, and look, do guards doze off on the

42:20 night shift? Yeah, but no one can get in to the cell. And if they had gotten into the cell, you would see it, but we were told that the cameras were down. Well, I don't know who said that, but that was that was in the news. Um, we're giving you all the footage we have. So, why wasn't that released like immediately? Why? Why did this speculation escalate? I think you'd have to ask uh whoever the attorney general back then was, Bill Barr. Did you ever see Do you remember that HBO autopsy show, Dr. Michael Baden? He's a famous forensic I don't think I scientist. So, uh he's a pathologist and he reviewed the case and it was his determination that it was a homicide because of the way his neck was

43:07 broken. Mhm. And what he said was it was indicative of a liature strangulation and it was because of the positioning on the neck where the marks were that it wasn't indicative of someone hanging by their weight which had been higher on the chin and there's a specific break of the bones and the vertebrae that's consistent with someone who is just strangled to death. I I haven't seen it. I'll definitely take a look at it because that's part of my job. You haven't seen that the report on that? No, I haven't looked at that. Did you see any kind did was there any other autopsy done other than the official one? Not to my knowledge, but if there was, you'll get it. And that's what we're doing. See if you can find that doc Dr. Michael Baden thing. Did you remember that show, the HBO show? No. Pretty cool show. So this guy Dr.

43:53 Michael Baden, he had a long career of catching murderers, you know, exuming bodies, finding trace amounts of poisons, different kinds of things, and it was a crazy show. like all these wild ways of people. Well, I love watching shows and I spent a lot of time on planes. Yeah, it was an old show. It was a show like from the early 2000s, I believe. Um, but this guy was like, you know, this very wellrespected forensic scientist who would analyze these bodies and it was his determination that he was murdered. Yeah. And my job going back to the core of what I've been doing since I studied Russia was to get and is to get everybody the information. When did you get here? Epstein's autopsy points to homicide pathologist hired by brother claims. New York City medical examiner

44:39 strongly disputed the claim that the evidence from the autopsy suggested strangulation. So, let's go to the By the way, this is the New York Times and they never lie. Private pathologist Dr. Michael Baden said the morning TV show Fox and Friends, Mr. Epstein experienced a number of injuries, among them a broken bone in his neck that are extremely unusual in suicidal hangings and could occur much more commonly in homicidal strangulation. I think the evidence points to homicide rather than suicide, said Dr. Baden, who observed the autopsy done by city officials. Dr. Baden, a former New York City medical examination and a Fox News contributor, said, "I have not seen in 50 years where that occurred in suicidal hanging case." Uh, findings by Dr. Baden were strongly disputed by the city's chief medical examiner, Dr. Barbara Samson, who

45:27 previously ruled that Mr. Epstein's death on August 10th in the Metropolitan Correctional Center was a suicide. I stand firmly behind our determination of the cause and manner of death in this case. Dr. Samson said in the interview on Wednesday, she added, "In general, fractures of the hyoid bone and cartilage can be seen in suicides and homicides. The hyoid bone is near the Adam's apple." Dr. Samson also dismissed Dr. Bad's contention that the circumstances around Mr. Epstein's death suggested other people may have been involved. She said her office had done a complete investigation taken into consideration information gathered by law enforcement in the making in making the determination. So this is a perfect example of going back to my public defender and prosecutor days. This is what we call a war of experts. You can

46:12 always find someone right to come in and say the opposite, right? And I used to do it all the time. I mean, I represented some of the worst humans that you can possibly imagine on earth. Literally, the guys that uh were trafficking children from Mexico into America, and you could put up a professional expert to say, and this is what's going to go on forever, and my job is not the forever. My job is to get you absolutely everything that we can give you, and that's what we're going to do. When did you become aware of this video that showed that no one had gone in and out of the cell? Um, recently. So why was it recent though? I mean if this death was how long ago was this death? Two years. Couple 2019. 2019. Oh really? Why? Time flies. So six years.

47:00 Well again that's part of what I'm going to try to answer for you. Jeffrey Epstein JLCC TV erased by technical errors. Whoopsies. Yeah. But you see how anybody on the out I mean this is like a perfect storm. Yeah. for something. Can you pull that article up so we can read what it says? Jamie, US prosecutor said the jail mistakenly saved footage from the wrong cell. Sorry. Epstein, a convicted sex offender, first tried to kill himself in July last year and hanged himself in jail. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Yep. Reread that line that he first tried to kill himself in July of last year. Yeah. How much of the American public do you think knows that? I didn't know that until right now. There you go. Maybe I heard it and forgot. Did you ever hear it, Jamie? Well, he was on That's why he was on suicide watch, I think. Oh, okay. So, a guy hang himself

47:46 in jail in August while serving trial on federal sex trafficking charge. He pleaded not guilty to abusing dozens of girls, some as young as 14. Soon after Epste's death in August, two of the CCC CCTV cameras outside his cell malfunction and were being examined by the FBI. Found semic-conscious in his prison cell with injuries on his neck on 25th of July after this incident. He's placed on suicide watch. I'm not saying every single camera in the place was working. I'm saying we've got footage and you're getting it and it then you can make up your own mind and right the theories can continue but my job so you you became aware of this footage recently the ones that we're looking at. Yeah. Right. And so but this is like an article from quite a while ago that was saying that the footage was mistakenly

48:32 erased. Look, I mean goes back to the same Ask the people that were in power then. I mean I get it that you want to hold me to account for their actions and Not you. Not you. I'm not saying that. Not you. That just the the public in general. And that's okay. What's confusing to everybody today? First of all, it's very confusing because AI can kind of make anything. You know, it's which has got to be a bizarre position for you to be in when you're looking at videos. I mean, I've watched Viking videos. It look real as [ __ ] You know, they just make Viking towns. I mean, it's really quite incredible what they're doing now. And it it accelerates every month. I mean, I talked to Elon about it. He said, "We're blown away literally every week. Every week there's some new breakthrough. We're like, "Wow, we didn't expect that." Well, I can tell you after having looked at it, this ain't going to be AI. You don't think

49:19 so? You're gonna It's It's just not great. You know, it's like if it were AI, like someone wanted to come in and make it, they'd make it better. But why would you make it better when people could, you know, you could have ambiguous footage that is, you know, totally generated by AI? I mean, AI can generate blurry images. AI can generate night vision. AI can generate essentially anything that's already existed like really shitty 1984 VHS tapes. They can do that. They can. But I'm telling you, I'm giving you the tape from the tape. Mhm. You know, there's just like I'm giving you the documents from the vault, just like I'm giving you information to Congress on CO origins or what have you. What we find is what you're getting. Okay. Okay. So now it's saying in 2019 missing jail video from

50:04 the first Jeffrey Epste for the first attempt has been found. So maybe let's put it into perspective. Jails are not the most efficient bestrun places. It's not like Fort Knox. Yeah. No, it's not. It's Yeah. You know, we're working with what we got, right? So, and listen, this guy's not the only guy to kill himself in prison. It happens I don't know how often, right? All the time. Even if he killed himself in prison. So if he if he was murdered in prison, crazy, right? You could see why very powerful people wouldn't want if he was murdered in segregated housing in isolation after being on suicide watch in a place in a detention center that I physically been in myself. It would

50:51 be fiction. It's just in in my experience that is not doable. It's not doable. Even for the most powerful and wealthiest people in the world. Yeah. Wouldn't you think though that like if if someone was in a position where a guy could release information that could potentially damage the most wealthy people on earth, you would have a concerted effort that's unprecedented. Sure. You'd have the resources that we could even possibly comprehend all pointing towards eliminating this one person that it could be done. But I mean so many people have been implicated right already and some of that information what do they did to Prince Andrew and everybody else is already out there and so that's the

51:38 conspiracy stuff that me and Bonino and the folks have to say look we will give you everything we can and then we will have done our job. Also, if I had a shred, me cash Patel had a shred of evidence, the Russia gate guy, the Jan 6 guy, the co origins guy had a shred of evidence that this guy was murdered, I would be the first guy to bring this case hard and fast. And I would do even doing press conferences every week on it. The first guy. That's what I'm asking people to play out to their logical conclusion. I'm not Comey. I'm not Mabe. I'm not the guy that was in the seat before. I have a wildly different background. I've been putting out the truth my entire career. Why would I risk all of it on this guy? I

52:23 believe he cast the letter. Oh, I I believe you. I just think that, you know, the problem is we've been fuming on this conspiracy for so long and it we love conspiracies, don't we? As as a country, there's so much I mean, you know, they make JFK tapes. Come on. Like release the documents. We all love them. We love them. We love UFO ones. We love everything. We love the craziest conspiracies. They're exciting. We don't want to hear that he tried to kill himself in July and then succeeded in August. And uh look, I could imagine why the guy wanted to kill himself. He was going to jail for the rest of his [ __ ] life. And in jail, sex offenders for children are not treated well. And also, by the way, most Americans haven't, nor should they. Have you ever spent one minute in segregated housing? No. It's the worst. The absolute worst.

53:13 Like you and your background, you could probably handle it, right? Like, you know, just in all reality, most Americans, you put them in there for 5 seconds, they're going to slam their head against the wall. Literally, they're going to lose their mind. Yeah. Immediately. Yeah. It's that bad. I'm sure. I could only imagine. And I could only imagine this guy knowing that it's over. And what do you want to do? Do you want to Yeah. And who knows who the [ __ ] he's working for? Let's just put that aside. Now, if you're working for Let's just We don't have to name names. We We don't have to speculate. If he's working for some agency, some group, some foreign group, and they decide to target his family because he look, he's going to jail for the rest of his life anyway. They decide to target his family if he

53:59 testifies against them. I could see where I if I thought that it was like I'm gonna be in jail for the rest of my life or I tell and my family winds up being killed or or destroyed or who knows maybe you'd say look the honorable thing is to end it in prison. Honorable cowardly thing cowardly whatever it is like you just decide at some point that guy was going back into gen pop. And the one thing I'll tell you about prison systems is the the people they eat are child predators. Yes. and he was going to get eaten. Well known. Yeah. And they probably wouldn't have protected him. Yeah. Um so the narrative has always been that there's video. Now what is the chain of custody? Do is

54:45 there evidence that there is video? Is there evidence that it was moved around, stored, protected from people looking at it? Like you're going to get all that information. Like that's literally what we're putting together and we're going to give you every single thing we have and can and that's the whole point. We can't fill gaps by making stuff up and we're not going to do that. And you have to be methodical and we have to be that's the other thing, right? We're reviewing not just the video. We're reviewing ev, you know, everything as meticulously as we can because that's what we owe the American people. That's our job. And I don't want to rush to the sticks or the podium and just say, "Hey, look what we found." Right? And then be like, "Oh, sorry. I I forgot the 4

55:30 seconds." You know, if we miss 4 seconds, you're be like, "Oh, well, it's in the 4 seconds you missed." Right. So, I I'm I'm How much can you talk about what you've seen? Not yet. Um just just what I've told you. Can you say you've seen anything? No. That's the point that there's nothing in there like in the video. You guys will be bored. You're talking about the video of the murder or the the suicide suicide. But what about the video of from the island? Oh, that's the Sorry. So, you're talking about two different. So, sorry. So, yeah. So, again, we're going to give you everything we can and people have to remember, we're not going to revictimize women. We're not going to put that [ __ ] back out there. It's not happening because then he wins. Not doing it. You want to hate me for it?

56:15 Fine. Again, logical playout. If there was a video of some guy or gal committing felonies on an island and I'm in charge, don't you think you'd see it? If you have access to it if I have it. Period. If I have it. If I have it. So, where else would it be? Right. If you have it, right? But you can't say that you have it. No, we're giving you everything we have so far. Everything we have so far is Have you guys gone over all the video that's available? Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. That's what takes so much damn time, right? And and is there video from the island? Not of what you want. The the people out

57:02 there have filled the void with can't wait to see X, Y, or Z, right? Speculation. And I'm like, here's the other thing I've been asking for, right, openly. If you have information on this, call us. tell us the best resource we have is the American people in the world, right? Get me the tail numbers, get me the flight, you know, get me new information and I will run that down. So, this narrative might not be accurate that there's video of these guys doing this. Exactly. Is it possible that the video was taken and destroyed? Well, you're talking about what, decades worth of stuff, right? Remember, we have what we have pursuant to lawful uh search warrants and authorities from the case that was done uh however many years

57:49 ago it was done. That's what we have. If other people have other stuff and they want to give it to us, bring it. Have you guys reviewed everything that you have? Almost. Like we're That's I mean, yes, we have. And now we're figuring out how to right put it out. Now, I understand that you would never revictimize these women and show this footage, but is there footage? Outside of the only thing I can say right now is if there was ever if there was footage of anyone doing anything else, we would have opened a case. Is it possible that there was footage that you just will never have access to because they've already gotten rid of? I mean, anything's possible, right? Well, there was a long time, right, between the time

58:36 when it was clear that Kamla lost the election and that Trump won. Yeah. I mean, I got here before he got into office. I got here 100 days ago, literally. Right. Exactly. It's just kind of crazy, you know. So, I'm I'm doing what I can and and that's this type of stuff like, you know, and I'm happy to to talk about it and bring it up, but what I what I'm trying to achieve at the bureau is not only are we doing what's of public interest, what's of great public interest, our biggest job, our biggest job is to defend the homeland and stop kids from dying. That's my Well, that's my biggest job and that's what I'm focused on. And I think we can do all of those things and we're doing them really well. And I think if you give us just like another hundred days, it's not a lot of time. I've been literally I just hit my 100

59:23 day mark like two days ago, right? Um you're going to see a ton of stuff. You're already seeing it. We we just hit the we just rolled out the Catholic memo. The truth about that. What is that? Um the last administration the FBI wrote a memo targeting Catholics. Remember the Richmond Catholic memo? I don't remember that. Okay. So, basically they uh there was a write up from the FBI relying on the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is like the modern-day Fusion GPS, um and basically said Catholics should be targeted as domestic terrorists. Yeah. So, then Chris Ray, the former FBI director, went to Capitol Hill and testified about it. And the Congress was like, "Wait a second. Is this real? Is

1:00:10 it predicated on actual fact?" And how how wide is it? Is it one office? Is it all these people across the country? Are Catholics being targeted as domestic terrorists? And what ended up happening was Ray said, "Oh, it's just one office, one memo, nothing to see here." Well, what we just rolled out again to

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