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0:00 so I was going to actually record moderate IRS's Eisen before I did this however yeah so I guess we're stuck doing this for now before we start I just want to talk about this death battle it wasn't actually too bad I don't think I knew it was gonna be requested and I knew they were gonna say some stuff that I would just like to clear up a lot of people get this negative vibe from my channel because the red X and the sense of humor I usually have in my videos but that's usually just a persona and I want to prove that today by making video today's video more mature for what it's worth anyway and before we get into it I also wanted to touch up on a few things that
0:46 don't really relate to power scaling a lot of people were kind of coming to me with like this concept said don't debunk this Naruto should win the battle ichigo was weaker than Naruto it shouldn't be be be debunked they're not wrong and with stuff like that I don't really care who wins battles ever I've debunked videos were Dragon Ball characters win battles and I'm an apparent Dragon Ball right and it's like you shouldn't care who wins the battle you should care about how the representing the characters so for example let's say time breaker Bardock my favorite Dragon Ball character ever was faced up against cosmic armor Superman right because apparently I'm a big Superman hater
1:31 so my favorite Dragon Ball character versus apparently my most hated other fictional character and they said cosmic armor Superman obliterates Bardock I would be perfectly okay with that but if they said cosmic armor Superman obliterates Bardock because Bardock is barely a planet buster just like the rest of Dragon Ball then I would have a problem and that's how you should kind of view these battles you shouldn't really care about the victor of the battle or if it coincides with your fanboy taste you should care about the information displayed and also ScrewAttack has admitted numerous times now that it is mainly for entertainment
2:19 they say that whiz and boom sticker just personas they're not actually trying to answer or make the final answer to the death battle they're just giving their best thoughts a lot of people also were going about this that oh they're intentionally attacking bleach and I have to disagree I think if you said Oh Ichigo is fourth dimension or fifth dimensional scaling off of the statement with Aizen and he was infinitely stronger than Naruto and he's just not meant for these kind of death battles then if a lot more Naruto fans would be salty and also the Naruto fanbase is bigger than the Bleach one whether you agree with that or not so I'm completely neutral Naruto versus Ichigo I find them very similar I actually have a lot of friends that think Ichigo wins I have a lot of friends that nartz think Naruto wins and I'm actually been working on a series of Naruto versus bleach videos already did the Espada versus the
3:05 Akatsuki that went very well especially gonna follow it up with moderate IRS's Aizen and if you guys are interested in that please subscribe and look forward to that in the future I've been doing a lot of research on naruto vs bleach and obviously for this debunking for those videos so I do have a lot on my plate here and otherwise let's get started so the first 16 minutes of the actual Naruto vs. Ichigo video is basically history filler form or advertisements not to throw any shade or anything but it is basically useless information mainly meant for time constraints so I am going to be ignoring that if you have any problems with that feel free to yell at me or smash that dislike bar for whatever reason and I'm going to be going into the actual scaling that they
3:53 gave at the end of the video where the scaling is actually relevant they start off by explaining why gnar so can fight ichigo even though he's not technically visible to the naked eye which i actually do agree with although comparing reishi to the souls in art so it was somewhat of a logical fallacy for many reasons the after lies in laws of the two verses are obviously different and it's not logical to blatantly compare them and say that they're the exact same obviously astral forces work differently in almost every form of fiction now they go onto the speed side of things so for Naruto speed as I've stated before props of this DEATH BATTLE they actually did pretty good job like I said they actually use guides this time it's far more consistent to use these guides instead of just run around with the useless head Canon on couch should work while fighting author intent of the
4:39 series but there's still an issue here for one they state that Naruto's combat speed should be lightning level based off his battle with the Fourth Reich ah gay and this is wrong for many reasons for one it's never confirmed the fourth threat kaga is the speed of lightning however I do agree it's very possible he's above or at lightning speeds and the data books manga and anime Kakashi with his lightning blade was stated to be able to chop lightning bolts in half with Chidori and we do know that heavily fatigued sasuke uchiha could launch lightning speed Kieran's willis terminally-ill half blind dead Itachi could react to them so yes it's very easy to say for threat kaga is on lightning love however as I said before there are multiple issues and the issue
5:24 here is that they're implying the unmastered raw KCM or kewpie chakra mode state is just as fast as six path sage mode by slightly just throwing in but but hey look at this reaction fee six paths did now if we were going to be logical here six path sage mode is even more powerful than just the base ten tails this is shown by Naruto overpowering ten tails Rena GaN moderate without even using his six paths cloak let allowed two half-assed yanked KCM cloak early in the war to put this into perspective the nine tails is a beast that developed much differently than the others its hatred swelled into power and massively increase its size and strength with even half its chakra it was capable
6:10 of fending off six other bees you with no difficulty six path sage mode would be even above a fold nine tails level and a half with all of the other bees you put together along with moderate and a Rena GaN even low-balling this would be far beyond KCM based cloak numerous times the last issue of this lightning KCM scaling as they claim this is based off the return strokes of a lightning bolt which is an even bigger assumption and stretch let me explain what a returns stroke of a lightning bolt is real fast and explain what a lightning timer level fighter like Kakashi would actually be you could find many explanations like this as well on government websites if you want to like a lightning safety etc the return stroke is the very bright
6:56 visible flash that we see is lightning caused by the rapid discharge of electricity once the stepladder makes contact with a streamer the negative charge that has been accumulated along the leader channel flows rapidly to ground the movement of the charge starts at the point of contact and rapidly works its way upward as a charge isn't drained from the channel essentially the return stroke is most of the flash of light that occurs after the lightning hits the ground and is ignoring the stepladder a stepladder would be active what actual lightning level fighters look like and here I'm gonna quote the vehicle by which these electrons move from the cloud to the ground is called a stepladder it moves to the ground and rapid Luminess steps that are about 50 yards long each step occurs in less than
7:41 one millionth of a second and the time between each step is about 150 millionth of a second the stepped ladder moving at a velocity of about 200 miles per hour takes about 1/100 of a second to travel from the cloud to earth so essentially about 220,000 miles per hour not 220 million miles per hour going off with the flash of a return stroke because if you did dodge lightning you would be dodging the contact of the actual lightning or the stepladder with the return stroke not really activating so it's very logical to assume that you'd be dodging the actual return stroke because the return stroke usually happens after it makes contact moving on six paths in our toe is faster than light and reactions and nothing contradicts it and I agree with that he was able to keep up with Sasuke's
8:27 teleportation and casually dodged the light beam from Madara and yes he did show this in the manga as well the manga simply showed it in one frame but we're asked the anime is actually an animated cinematic of what's happening I've explained this in more in depth in other videos but once again this is kind of low-balling this might be a surprise to some people but it is actually a little bit of a lowball simply because the sage are light Fang is a super casual no hand-signs jutsu moderate just kind of spits out with just one Rena GaN as a reminder moderate gets another Rena GaN that massively increases his power shown by him increasing his limbo clones to four he then even gets the Reni Shari gun that grows him even further with Katya surpassing this way beyond that as stated by Naruto and then Naruto when
9:14 going all out was able to swap hands with her briefly so there's no reason to suggest that this weaker moderate variant with the casual sage jutsu is the max of their abilities they also used the bankai guide for Ichigo which I approve of this lightning scaling is backed up by numerous things and beliefs like odd and yet Oh absorbing over 30,000 hollows many of which are over the speed of sound with sound Steph or sonido with many other Espada surpassing hundreds of times over using release scalings like a base Espada can crap on a previous ones release date and that one can release and become tens of times stronger on top of that and then that ones surpassed by another one so yes it's very easily easy to say that there are at least lightning level I'm also glad they understand the difference between combat reaction speed finally although once again they used
10:00 KCM compared to six paths out of out of desperation to compare the two and it doesn't really work they themselves admitted that their speed calc for Ichigo is a stretch in their naruto vs EG of question dancer video as well and understandably so the entire calc is based on assumptions for normies that nod their heads to everything that sounds like a complicated math problem they don't really want to think about they then go into detail about how ichigo has problems damaging people stronger than himself which is true but that's mainly the style of the manga and the combat in the series the exact opposite could actually be said for Naruto's combat in which far weaker fighters can damage bonus that are supposedly millions of times out of their league here we get into multipliers now multipliers are always a fun thing to talk about and I don't have a problem with them but they claim
10:46 ichigo's hollow mask is probably not ten times which is far from the case we know that a bankai is relative to the resurrection form of an Espada or how Ichigo isn't even based Grimmjow level yet with his mask evolves to the point you could body resurrected Ginjo even though the resurrection is basically their equivalent of a bankai it's simply illogical to assume it doesn't offer a substantial increase of 5/2 and times like a bankai if not more I know they did end up using it anyway as you know given the benefit of the doubt however I did just want to debunk that misconception also I'd like to say that ulquiorra in his first release was toying with Ichigo based okie Auto versus that Ichigo is a far closer match when they did fight they then slap some upscaling on an oaky water level attack and call it a day for Ichigo I'll get into why that doesn't work later on
11:31 guru attack then claims a random unfocused blob of chakra falling out of Naruto's body should be his maximum attack potency which is wrong for many reasons I'll go into more in a bit but it should be noted that this is unfocused and non attack related chakra it's quite literally just raw chakra a good example of what I'm getting at is the jutsu and condensed use of chakra far exceeds the powers of just the base chakras of the user such as sage Naruto getting slapped away by the nine tails yet seemingly obliterating Kurama with the Bross and shuriken or how the ten tails and is an extremely powerful monster but when isn't it a jinchuriki can become far more stronger due to these Shinobi's ability to focus its energy all in all this moon fee is
12:18 shabby at best and even random faceless cloud shinobi in the same movie pooling a ton of their chakra together we're going to teleport the entire moon away and destroy it and if we know anything about Naruto it's that is chakra far surpasses even the shinobi alliance let alone an extremely torn up cloud village I think they also did a good job explaining the jato technique that was apparently star level because I agree that Ichigo slapping away hot or my guy running in warping space or not star level attacks you should definitely not highball Naruto to that level without more evidence we have no idea how warping space really works and obviously black holes work much differently than simply just bending space a tad bit now although they kind of ruin this by saying ichigo got damaged by an attack weaker than the calc they gave to okie
13:05 or to try to debunk it and that doesn't really make sense unless you're implying dawn guy is ichi is weaker than the mass release that fought ulquiorra which is uh kind of out there now this is the fun part of the video uhaah and Kaguya aren't Planet Busters in Naruto and Ichigo don't scale to them oh boy the first claim they make is that kaki is only a planet buster using the shinobi alliance in Earth's population as well as their own Earth's population having literally no chakra in comparison to the shinobi alliance this is wrong simply because you seem to forget that KCM cloaked Naruto when around the battlefield and slapped everyone on the back and gave
13:51 them all three times the amount of chakra called Kakashi had normally Kakashi being a cog a level fighter by this point meaning Naruto with no effort was over three times stronger than the shinobi alliance with just one half of the nine tails let alone when he got a form stronger than all the B's you and Sage Mode put together and then actually absorbed all nature energy on the entire planet to fight Sasuke in which Sasuke originally absorbed all the tailed beasts in which all the tailed beasts put together were comparable to a small planet even when unfocused on the sensory board even toneri in the same movie you're referencing was going to absorb solar energy and try to destroy earth in which Naruto acknowledges he's capable of doing that implying it's extremely easy for them to reach these
14:36 levels in a short amount of time though is it logical to throw everything out of the window for Naruto gawd tears because kaga absorbed energy from the shinobi alliance that shouldn't even been 10% of her power to create in the orb greater than a planet plus size dimension because it can hold the moon in it over a feat that was just a random uncontrolled glob of energy exploding sure why not they then claimed you ha isn't planetary because he was going to destroy the world to be a collateral effect with the balances of their structures which once again there's a problem you I wasn't going to destroy the worlds he was going to destroy and recreate them afterwards the soul Kings power was enough that has spread throughout all the worlds and this was absorbed by you ha however this isn't even a main selling point you had his final battle with ichigo was going
15:23 to obliterate all the worlds literally on top of him in the same fight it was physically the plot at that point it was the dramatic effect implying ichigo was going to be a going to be erased in something much more the balance collapse in fact I even went out of his way to draw a random panel of the planet away from the battle we don't even know where this takes place having you Yuhas energy forcibly blowing out of it to signify you ha was affecting other planets or other parts of the planet and that he was going to destroy everything like he was saying this can also be backed up by Yamamoto and his bankai in the battle with you you Hamamoto just on the suppress release of his bankai where he was holding it all within his sword was evaporating every bit of water or moisture in the soul society the soul society being a parallel world to our
16:08 actual one this proves Yamamoto z' bankai had massive range at least on a planetary level and that captains in Yamamoto then claim that if Yamamoto his bankai goes on for too long and he can't restrain the whole thing the entire soul society along with them will be destroyed and yes we've already established Yamamoto has planetary range even low-balling this would be a life wiper level attack and beyond continental levels with you ha obviously surpassing that tens of times over just by mere scaling and you have been upscaling this entire video you have n absorbs this power casually along with the soul king and me me so there's absolutely zero reason to doubt you walk in destroy worlds simply because you refuse to believe bleach can be scaled past the Espada arc halfway through the series every character also confirms
16:55 Yuhas plants tight was simply going for a last all-or-nothing battle and got rushed claiming ichigo can only be scaled to the Espada because you can't find any way to scale anything else is an appeal to ignorance fallacy that is extremely lackluster it doesn't apply to anything objectively overall I don't agree or disagree with who wins the actual fight I'm just mainly stating my disagreements or the death battle and obviously making this video because I got requested on every video I made on Twitter on discord and you guys wouldn't leave me alone so I hope that answers your questions with what I had problems with I'm currently neutral on Ichigo versus Naruto and I have been planning a vs. video on this topic myself for quite some time I'm actually working on Aizen vs moderate
17:42 first I actually announced Aizen vs. actually announced Naruto versus Ichigo in Maya versus a kotsky video months ago and then death battle obviously announced there's like a month later and I was like oh okay so I'm probably gonna have to debunk that first so anyways hope you enjoyed hope you learned something you know be sure to subscribe if you want to see that Aizen vs moderate video I'll go into more detail about the actual caps of them instead of just debunking claims and tell next time [Music]
