The REAL Cause of Heart Attacks & Strokes | Dr. Tom Cowan

0:00 Nobody has liver attacks, kidney attacks. They have heart attacks and brain attacks called strokes. No other organ has attacks even though the blood is the same and the arteries are the same. Which led me to think it's got to do with the organ, not the blood supply. You don't have to know what's true in order to know what's not true. That is a fundamental principle of logic, rational thinking. If somebody says, "I had video at a 7-Eleven where somebody was shot and killed, and it was a man between 18 and 60 wearing jeans, so you're under arrest." You say, "Well, I wasn't there. I was in Singapore and not Boston." And the guy says, "Until you prove to me who killed the guy, you're under arrest. That's ridiculous. All you have to prove is you weren't there." We proven that

0:45 that's not the cause of heart attacks. I didn't know what was, but eventually that became clear that it has to be something to do with the heart and the brain, not the blood vessels. I know there's no atoms. I know blocked arteries don't cause heart attacks. I know viruses don't exist. I know all those things for sure. It doesn't mean that I know what causes somebody to be sick. I don't know who killed that guy. I know it wasn't me. That's called thinking. Tom, right now in the world the number one cause of death is cardiovascular disease. What is actually the cause of that? >> Well, the number one cause of cardiovascular the one number one type of cardiovascular disease is in the

1:32 realm of anga unstable anga and heart attacks. So, there's a lot of other kinds of heart disease like congestive heart failure and atrial fibrillation and SVT and and a lot of other things, but most people when they're referring to heart disease, they're referring to like heart attacks, right? >> Yeah. Let's go there. And strokes. >> Yeah. So, the re, you know, other the other ones have slightly different causes. Now, if you ask pretty much any doctor, whether it's a cardiovascular surgeon or a cardiologist or an internist or a

2:18 family doctor or an alternative practitioner or a functional medicine doctor, any of them, what causes people to have heart attacks, right? That's that's what we're talking about. And they would say some variation of you have three major coronary arteries. Those are the big blood vessels that bring the blood to the heart. And one or more of them gets blocked with plaque. And then the blood can't get through. And then downstream from the blockage there's not enough food and not enough oxygen and you can't get rid of the waste products. And as that builds up and under a stressful situation like

3:05 exercise, there's an imbalance between the oxygen uh delivery through the blood and the uh need of the heart and then the uh that causes pain and then worse pain and then necrosis or breakdown of the heart tissue. Then they would dispute what causes the blockage. So the regular cardiologists and the cardiovascular surgeons would say it's cholesterol or then they would eventually change that and say it's not all cholesterol, it's LDL and then they eventually sort of change that and said it's not all LDL, it's LP little A which

3:51 is a type of cholesterol or a type of lipoprotein basically and so all those are causing a block they're building up in the artery and blocking and causing this stenosis and decreased blood flow. Now the alternative holistic functional doctors would say no it's not cholesterol it's not LP little A or maybe it is a little bit it's not LDL it's inflammation and there's an inflammation in the blood vessels and that's for a lot of reasons it could be an infection could be heavy metals could be stress could be bad diet could be not enough exercise and that

4:37 inflammation is the cause of the blockage. The conventional doctors would say you got this blockage, you have to unblock it, right? You got a pipe and the pipe is blocked. So you rotoroot it out, which called a stent or you bypass it, which is called a bypass. Or you give statin drugs to lower the LP little A or the LDL or the cholesterol. The functional alternative holistic doctors would say no you need a better diet. You need to reduce the inflammation, reduce stress, get rid of heavy metals, uh do chilation to get rid of the plaque buildup and then you don't

5:23 need any of those surgeries or the drugs. Okay, just to put that out there. That's the normal thing. And then one out of a thousand uh or less is me. And I say the whole thing doesn't have anything to do with blocked arteries. Has nothing to do with that. And so neither of those two approaches have any merit because that's not the problem. Now where did I get that from? Right? Because out of a thousand people, including the next hundred people walking down the street, you ask them why do people get heart attacks? Because you get a blocked

6:08 artery, right? If they know anything about it, they know that. So, I don't know if you want me to keep going here. >> Yeah. Well, let's move into how you see it. >> Right. So, it's not really it's it's a little bit how I see it, but how did I get to see it the way I saw it? So if you the the first thing that struck me was so I worked as an ER doctor for a while and I also worked in a cardiac cath lab where they put the dye in and they see the blockages and all that. So I had a certain experience with this because ER doctors see a lot of people with chest pain. And we were told that all the blood to the heart goes through these three main arteries, right? and they

6:54 show you drawings of it. And I I don't I don't want to link to this, but I could show you a drawing, three main arteries. So, I asked myself first the question of if there's something that's building up in the arteries, right? Either inflammation or LDL or plaque or something. Is the blood the same everywhere in the body? >> Yes. >> Right. Yes. because nobody thinks there's a special blood that goes to your heart and a different blood that goes to your spleen etc. Right? So the answer was yes. Second question are the blood vessels the arteries the same the splenic artery is the same as the

7:41 coronary artery? >> Yes. >> Yes. Nobody thinks different. There's not like some special artery that goes to your heart. So therefore, if the problem is something in the blood that's building up or inflamed, it would happen in the splenic artery and the heart artery. >> You think so? >> Because they're the same. Okay. So then I said, "How many people have I ever seen with heart attacks?" Lots. Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton, Uncle Fred, you know, thousands of people in the ER, etc. How many people have I seen with spleen attacks? >> 40 years in medicine, the answer is

8:28 zero. And I've probably asked a 100,000 people in my career, like every time I do a talk on the heart, I'll say, "How many people have seen anybody with a spleen attack?" One guy raised his hand. But it turns out he me he he meant a the guy had a ruptured spleen from an injury. So that's not what I mean. So nobody So why is that? Nobody has liver attacks, kidney attacks, eye attacks, foot attacks. They have heart attacks and brain attacks called strokes. No other arter organ has attacks even though the blood is the same and the arteries are the same. which led me to think it's got to do with the organ, not

9:14 the blood flow, blood supply. So that was the first thing. The next thing is I don't know how many people I saw who the story was they walked up Mount Tam or Mount Manadnok or somewhere with their wife. They felt a little funny. They had a little chest pain. The wife said, "You have to go to the cardiologist." They go to the cardiologist. He does a test. He says, "You're 94% blocked or so. If you block anymore," they always wag their finger at them. You're going to have a heart attack. And I thought to myself, if all the blood to your heart goes through these three arteries and you're 94% blocked, that means you have 6% blood flow to

10:01 your heart. How did you walk up Mount? [Music] And you mean if you block from 6% to 4% or 3% that's going to kill you? 6% is 0%. Effectively, you don't have any blood flow to your heart. So it doesn't matter if you block anymore because you're already get at zero or close. So that was weird, right? So then I did the thing which you would think all doctors would do but as far as I know I'm the only one who's done it which is I said okay there must be studies that look at people who they say die of heart attacks

10:47 and they do an autopsy on them and they see how many of them have a blockage in the air in the blood vessel leading to the part of their heart that had a heart attack, right? I mean, if somebody says your your sink is leaking, you go to call the plumber, he looks at the pipe leading to your sink and says, "Nope, it's not blocked. It's good. It's not the pipe." So I looked and it turns out what I found was when they started this heart attack theory called the thromboprosis theories uh that the cardiologists didn't believe it. They said no it's got nothing to do with the blockages. There's a robust

11:34 blood flow through secondary collateral vessels. Got nothing to do with blockages. So I looked and it turns out that there were a bunch of studies from the 40s and 50s60s looking at the percentage of people who died of a heart attack. So these are the worst of the worst, right? They had a heart attack, they died. Not everybody dies. The highest number I found was 78%. And the lowest number was 18% had a blockage. Which means that somewhere between 22% and 82% had no blockage in the area in the blood vessel leading to the part of the heart

12:20 that had the attack. So what did they why did they die? Like what happened to them? Now even if you have 78% that doesn't mean that was there before the heart attack because then I read a book called the eopathoggenesis of coronary artery disease or coronary heart disease by a pathologist named Giorgio Baldi. You can go and look it up the book. uh and he studied people who died of heart attack for 40 years with autopsies and he said 41% of them have a blocked artery

13:05 leading to the part of the heart that's d that died and of those 41% half of the blockages clearly came after the heart attack not before. In other words, there was damage to the heart and like a dam. So the there's a damage to the river and you get backflow and buildup of the of debris in the in the river coming into the dam. Right? So we're talking 18% of the people had any blockage before the heart attack of the people who died and had an autopsy. So that made me uh being the reasonable person that I may be said

13:52 that's not the cause of heart attacks. Now at the time I didn't know what was which is fine. You don't have to know what's true in order to know what's not true. That is a fundamental principle of logic, rational thinking, and supposedly science, even though most doctors have never heard of it. Uh, but you know, you don't know if somebody says, "Oh, I I had video at a at a 7-Eleven where somebody was shot and killed and it was a man between 18 and and 60 wearing jeans. So, you're under arrest." You say, "Well, I wasn't there. I was in Singapore, not Boston, where and I have

14:37 proof and you prove that you weren't there, etc. And the guy says, "Until you prove to me who killed, tell me who killed the guy, you're under arrest." Like, that's ridiculous, right? Nobody would nobody would say that. All you have to say prove is you weren't there. And so you you've we've proven that that's not the cause of heart attacks. Now again I didn't know what was but eventually that became clear that it has to be something to do with the heart and the brain not the blood vessels. So it turns out that uh what happens is there's an imbalance in the energy generation in

15:23 the heart and the heart goes what's called glycolytic which uses means it builds up acid just like if your muscle exceeds its capacity like your leg you build up lactic acid and you get a cramp right everybody knows that and why doesn't your leg have an attack because your leg stops and you flush the lactic acid out and then you go on your way. Same thing happens in your heart. Your heart doesn't isn't efficiently burning fuel and and so it uses accessory pathways to ferment which means lactic acid which causes cramps which we call anggina.

16:08 The difference with your heart and your brain as compared to the spleen in your liver and your foot is your heart and the brain can't stop. So they keep going. They build up more acid that causes a breakdown of the tissue which is what we call a heart attack. And there then the debris builds up river which is why you get plaque buildup upstream. And all of the changes you see, every heart attack is accompanied by a drop in the pH, acidity, and it c it's come because there's damage to the to the organ. Now, that can come from a lot of reasons. Bad food, emotions, EMFs, heavy metals,

16:56 stress, decreased parasympathetic tone, lots of reasons cause that. and decreased small vessel uh blood flow, which was one of the things that diabetics get more heart attacks, but they don't get more plaque, which is a quote anomaly, which means it doesn't make sense. But it does make sense if you realize that all the blood flow or 90ome percent is small vessels, not big vessels. and diabetics get small vessel disease and so that's why they get heart attacks. Fla, it turns out, is an adaptive response as is everything in the body. That's the

17:43 that's the magic of thinking differently. So a blood vessel is a basically a protein tube that has fluid in it that's waterbased which we call blood. Now, it turns out that every time there's a hydrophilic tube like a protein and water that there's an interface between them which forms a protective gel. You can prove that absolutely like you put a beaker of water and you suspend a horizontal hydrophilic tube and the water will start moving in the tube because there's a gel that's formed on the inside of the tube that's negatively

18:30 charged and that pushes the positive charge into the water. they repel and start moving and it all has to do with the formation of this gel layer inside the tube. So that happens in your arteries and that gel layer protects your artery and your blood vessels. Now the gel layer is in the it's increased with things like sun exposure and earthing connection to the earth and when somebody puts their hands on you or when you're sitting next to your dog at least most dogs uh or uh you know thinking good thoughts and if you put your cell phone next to

19:16 this beaker the gel layer stops forming. and the blood the velocity of the blood stops moving. So now the question I asked myself if you're a blood if you're a body and you're smart and you have a person who hasn't protected their arteries with this gel because they never move, they're never out in the sun. They never connected to the earth, they have bad relationships, they eat bad food and their dog died. So the body patches the weak vessels with plaque. That is a brilliant strategy. Uh because then it won't burst. Now the doctors come along and say, "Oh,

20:03 you see you have plaque buildup. We're going to scrape off the plaque." It's like, "Oh, you have a cracked pipe." And so you put some uh cement on it so it won't break. I know the problem with why you don't have good water flow because the cement is restricting the flow. So, we're going to get rid of the cement. What happens next? It bursts. So, that's what happens or could happen. So, the body doesn't want that. So, it makes plaque. Now, that does have a problem just just like your pipe. You will get less blood flow through there. But what are you going to do? The guy doesn't go out in the sun. He doesn't eat good food. He's got toxic relations.

20:50 You got no choice. So, you do the best thing you can, which is to make plaque. >> Well, the other thing the body does, and you touched on this quickly, is make collaterals. So, it'll sprout new vessels to make up for that, >> do its own bypass. And you can show that, you know, if you the the thing is the the coronary angiogram where they stick the dye in was a very cleverly organized test that that specifically doesn't show the collateral vessels because it's got heavy dye and they put it under pressure. So it only goes through the big blood vessels, the major coronary arteries, which is very

21:37 convenient because then they could say, you see, that's where all the blood goes and yours is blocked. And it actually has no relevance to the the blood flow to your heart. But then they can draw their pictures and say, see, this is 70 80 90% blocked. Even though how can you possibly see the percentage of blockage on a two-dimensional picture of a three-dimensional tube with stuff in it. And so you show it to one cardi one radiologist and he says, "Oh, it's 40% blocked." Cuz he doesn't like doing stances. You show it to another one who has, you know, he's invested in stances

22:24 and he says it's 80% blocked. because they can't tell and they do it based on personal preference. All right, I want to start to piece together. You've shared a lot and I'm making some connections, but I want to make sure we all are. So, when somebody has cardiovascular disease, it starts in the heart. The metabolism changes. We had the lactic acid buildup, death of that tissue, and this can happen in the brain as well. And then what you're saying is over time to compensate the body is going to block off vessels, but that happens afterwards. Do I have that part right?

23:11 >> It can happen before too. It happens anytime you have blood vessel and and a non not a robust protective layer which happens to everybody who doesn't take care of their water essentially. Then you will have nonprotective gel layers and your body will make plaque which is why most people have some plaque. >> Okay. Originally, I thought it was a secondary step to the heart being damaged, but you're saying those can happen independently. >> Yes. But what's that's not what causes the heart attack. What caused the heart attack is an energetic metabolic

23:56 deficiency of the heart. And you know, you can even the heart creates a energy tooidal field around it. And you can map it and you can measure it. And interestingly, it goes about 6 ft out, which the powers that shouldn't be know that, which is why they wanted to keep people 6 feet apart. So, they didn't have a connection heart-to-heart with other people. So, they're separated and lonely and scared and all the rest of it. So, that was part of it, but you can see that energetic field shrink. You can actually feel it. And that's the precursor to having a heart attack. >> Okay. I just want to make sure I understand the nuance here. You

24:42 explained the structured water piece and that coating inside the vessels. And when we lose that, the body smartly puts a cement layer and coats that to protect it. I just want to understand insultwise what's causing that versus damage to the heart itself or is it the same thing >> that doesn't cause damage to the heart? >> No. But the thing that's causing that disruption in the gel in the vessel, is that the same thing that's causing the metabolic changes in the heart? >> To a certain extent, yes. Bad food, bad water, no connection to the sun or the earth or loving relations, stress,

25:27 toxins, vaccines, heavy metals, all that usual stuff. Pharmaceutical drugs, all that. Those are all energetic insults which inhibit you from forming a gel layer and inhibit the normal ability of the heart to create a robust electromagnetic field. Then it's can't metabolize properly. Starts building up lactic acid and then the whole thing happens. And by the way, turns out there's a plant that gets rid of the lactic acid and restores the blood flow and helps the parasympathetic nervous system, which in a way helps

26:15 prove that it doesn't do anything to the plaque. And that's called stfanths. And it's a extract of seeds from a vine grows in Africa. And stfanth seed extract has been used to treat this constellation of anga, unstable anga, congestive heart failure, heart attacks for hundred years incredibly successfully because it the the lynch pin in this is the buildup of acidity and stfanthus extracts get rid of the acidic buildup. So that's why the natives called it the gift from paradise. >> And what can that reverse or can it at

27:00 all? If the tissue is dead, I assume that heart tissue can't be fixed. But is this for tissue that's just starting to be affected by this? >> Somebody has chest pain, shortness of breath, loss of energy. that you can feel their some people can actually feel their their field electromagnetic field shrinking into their being and I mean you can feel that with people they're they're like shrunken into themselves and then you can give them stfanths and you can expand the field makes them more metabolically efficient gets rid of the acid and it breaks that cycle that leads to heart attacks >> and for somebody who has had damage done

27:46 to this coating in the vessels and they're at the point where they have plaque buildup. How reversible is that? And what would >> you need to worry about that? >> Okay. And I was going to say what would the person do, but you've named a number of insults. Obviously, you want to reverse those. >> You don't need to do anything. Your body will take care of that by making collateral circulation. >> Okay. Will the body eventually absorb that and repair it or it'll just work around it? >> No, it'll just work around it. >> Okay. >> I mean, I've seen some people who it it gets less, but it it doesn't it doesn't seem to make any difference. >> Okay. The other piece I want to make sure we delve into is this theory that

28:32 you've disproven that the heart is a pump. So, this ties into what we've been talking about here. You've mentioned energy field. There's a lot more going on with this organ than conventional medicine would lead us to believe. But let's start with the pump piece and then we can move from there. >> Right? So with everything in life, it's good to define your terms otherwise you don't know what you're talking about. So when I say the heart is not a pump, what do I mean by a pump? I mean a pressure propulsion device. What does that mean? It means that the reason the blood moves around the body is it's propelled by the heart.

29:17 And the way it's propelled is the ventricle, especially the left ventricle contracts. It's a muscle. It contracts. That increases the pressure and propels the liquid, i.e. the blood around the body. That's what we're told. again. So I, you know, that's the claim. Now I looked at this claim, you know, 40ome years ago and said, "Okay, how long are the tubes in the body, 10,000 miles or so?" So, you got a one pound organ with walls like this thick and you got sticky fluid in there in

30:04 those tubes that are 10,000 miles long if you put them end to end with stuff in the tubes that's approximately the diameter the internal diameter of the tube. In other words, the red blood cells are about the same di, you know, size as the diameter of the tube. What are the chances you can get a one pound organ to push sticky fluid 10,000 miles? >> Not good. >> Not good. And not only that, but the the the this fluid, if you go do a velocity chart at different points, it's going fastest the blood as it enters the heart

30:53 and it's going the same speed as it exits the heart. And then it slows down and slows down and then it gets to the capillaries, the little vessels, and then it does like a little shimmy and stops. and then it gets going again. Now, if you're a farmer and you want you have a a like a tank and then you go down to a pond and then the the water in the pond is stopped and then you want to get the water from the pond up back to the tank. Where do you put the pump? >> Down at the bottom. not at the at the tank, >> right? >> Yeah. You got to get it down at the

31:39 bottom and pump back up to the tank. >> Pump it back up. But that's exactly the opposite. Here they're saying the pump is at the top. And by the way, the pump doesn't make the water go any faster. And I thought, that's faking weird. Because you would think it would go slow in and faster out and then it would go down and it would stop. And how are you going to get it back up? Because I can tell you if I want to go from San Francisco to New York on a bus and the bus is going to stop in St. Louis and there's no engine in the bus, I'm not getting in the bus because I don't know how if it stops in St. Louis, it's going to get back going

32:25 again to get to New York. So that was the second reason I thought this is wonky. The third reason is if you look at the outflow of the left ventricle and I saw this when I was working in a cath lab, it's an arch like McDonald's arch. Right? Now, imagine you have a garden hose and you put a a flexible hose, a spigot at your house, right? Put a flexible garden hose off the spigot and it's shaped like an arch. And you turn it off, shaped like an arch, and you turn it on full blast because you got to pump a long way. So, that's going to really push the blood

33:10 and the and the garden hose like this and it can bend. What's going to happen to the garden hose? >> It's going to straighten out. >> It's going to straighten out, right? Has to. So, you know what happens to the aortic arch as it go as you go into cy, which is the pumping part? It bends in. And I remember I saw this, you know, and I asked the card, I said, "Look, look, it bends in. It can't possibly bend in if it's pushing through there, right? Can't possibly do that. >> That's the opposite. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, he said I said, "How come it does that?" He said, "That's the way it does." And I said, "I know that's the

33:57 way it does because I can see it." He said, "That's just the way it does." So, that told me there's no way that's pushing through there. No way. So that led me again. So my rule is don't worry about what is true. Just think about what isn't true. I didn't kill that guy. I don't know who did. Don't ask me who killed him. That's not my job. I just know that I didn't do it. So I know at that point there's no way this is a pressure propulsion device. And I know that the pump has to be in your leg. Has to be just like if you got a pond,

34:42 it has to be at the pond. But I didn't know what the pump was. Then I saw an experiment Gerald Pollock did. Same one. You get a beaker of water with a horizontal tube. And just the nature of tubes interacting with water, capillaries interacting with blood forms a gel layer which is negatively charged that pushes the positive charges into the liquid water the blood and they repel and start moving. So that happens in your leg, in your spleen, in your eyes, everywhere. And then as it coaleses from capillaries to venules to veins, just like a river, if it goes from a wetland to a single

35:30 river, it goes faster and faster, right? >> Yeah. >> Just compression. It's called Berni's principle. So that gets it go faster and faster. It gets to the heart. The heart functions like a like a hydraulic ram. So there's like a it goes into a tank. The walls of the tank expand, right? Into a tank. The walls expand. You with me? >> Yeah. >> That creates positive pressure in the tank and negative pressure on the other side of the gate. So then when the positive pressure differential is enough, the gate opens the the arch sucks in because of the

36:16 negative pressure and the and the blood falls down to the capillaries. Then it gets re-energized and comes back up. So the function of the heart is to stop the blood and creates this spiral. And you know the Sufis say when the blood is stopped in the heart and there's a spiral formed that's when God enters into the human being. Now I don't know if that's true but that's when the creative force of life it always works through spirals and the heart goes spiral down spiral up spiral down spiral up. And when it spirals up, it's like

37:03 plunging your toilet that helps to suck the blood up to the heart. And you can prove that. And so that's what the heart is doing. It's acting like a suction device to stop the blood, create this vortex so that you know, God or the electromagnetic field or the energy of the universe or creation enters into you. creating this electric this uh tooidal field that allows you to live as a full human being. And if you miss the picture and think the heart is a pump, you're a doofus. That's a scientific term for uh you've

37:50 missed the point. And this connects to we were talking about before when we were talking about plaque where this layer in the vessels is what we were talking about got disrupted before when plaque formed. So just to form the full circle here. >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. And they both come from the same causes, which is pure food, pure water, sunlight, earth, being part of an electromagnetic field that's nourishing, including relations and thoughts and traumas and, you know, sucking on metals and vaccines, poison in you, and pharmaceuticals and all the rest of it. >> Let's bring high blood pressure into

38:36 this, a common ailment for many. talk about the mechanism and what changes when the body ramps that up. >> So, you got a garden, right? And you got a you got a pump and a and a a hose, right? Your hose I don't know if you can see me, right? >> I can. >> Yeah. Your hose is this big. And your pump is getting old and leaking, etc. Right. and you don't have enough money to fix your pump, but you can change the hose to keep so you can keep gardening on the other side of the garden. What do you do to the hose? >> Put your thumb over the end. >> Yeah. Yeah. You But you can you can do

39:21 more than that. Get a new hose. >> Well, yeah. >> I'm just trying to think of how to if your hose is defective and your pressure is low. If you're fine, but it's too it's this big >> and you're not getting enough pressure. Yeah. >> So, what do your hose? >> Get rid of it. Get a thinner hose. >> Get a smaller diameter hose. >> Y >> not a thinner hose. >> Well, that's what I meant by thinner. >> Yeah, that's what you meant by thinner. But not thinner wall hose. >> Just >> No, smaller diameter. >> Thinner. Yeah, smaller diameter. Yep. >> Cuz that'll keep the pressure up until you fix your pump. or go to the end and put your thumb over and then >> or go to the end and put your thumb over it. So, you got this bad pump in your

40:07 body in your tissues because you're never out in the sun. You're never connected to the earth. You have bad relations, bad thoughts, you get vaccines, take pharmaceutical, you got a bad pump, no gel layer. So, your body says, "Oh, we don't have enough flow here." and our brain is, you know, we're dizzy and erectile dysfunction because there's no pressure and, you know, we're tired all the time. I I want to um keep the flow going. Okay. Okay, guy, fix your pump. But you don't listen. You're right. You don't do anything different. So, the body says, "Okay, I'm going to stiffen and narrow the tubes so that we get more flow.

40:53 that raises the pressure and that's called high blood pressure which is a wonderful adaptive response to somebody who won't fix their pump. Now the doctors in their brilliance come along and say h you see you have high blood pressure we're going to give you a bigger hose. So then you have a bigger hose and now you're back to being dizzy and you can't get an erection and you're tired. But that's just because those are the side effects of the drug, right? But that's because you've stopped the body from doing what it would what

41:39 it needs to do. And the only thing it could do because you're too dumb to fix your pump. So it narrows the tubes. Now, you could come along and say, "Yeah, but Tom, if you keep narrowing and narrowing and narrowing, eventually you won't have any blood flow and then you'll die." And that's true. So, if you don't want your body to have to narrow the tube, you might want to fix your pump and then the body stops uh narrowing the tubes. And which is why I never had to give anybody high blood pressure meds. I just fixed their pump and then the body just re, you know, got a bigger pipe hose because it doesn't want to do that. But

42:25 if that's the only choice it has, you and the point is this is not a disease. This is your body's strategy to deal with a person who's not living properly. It's brilliant. And that's the way you look at all signs and symptoms. The body's trying to tell you something and conventionally we mask those instead of listening. >> Yeah. You get a splinter in your finger and you don't take it out. What happens next? >> It gets inflamed, red, warm, >> Pus, right? Is the pus is that a disease? I.e. Do you have an infection? Or is that the body's way of getting the

43:12 splinter out? >> That's the body's treatment, >> right? It's obvious. Except we were taught it's an infection. Give the person an antibiotics, keep the splinter in. I mean, then you take the splinter out. But let's say you can't. So, it's got an infection. Or somebody breathes in crap in their lungs like chemtrails and pollution and glyphosate, etc. And then what happens? You make pus and cough, etc. Why? To get the crap out of your lungs. Go to the doctor. He says you have bronchitis. It's caused by an imaginary virus. So, we're going to stop it and keep the debris in your lungs.

43:59 Great. What happens then? Well, you do that twice a year for 20 years and then you get lung cancer. What is that? That's a bag of toxic debris in your lungs. How did that happen? Well, it built up. Why did it build up? Well, because I stopped it from coming out twice a year for 20 years. What do you think is going to happen if somebody stops you from taking the garbage out of your house? My prediction, cuz I'm so smart, is you will build up garbage in your house >> till you grab it up, put it in a bag, and bring it out. >> Yeah. And they wrap it up. It's called a tumor.

44:46 It's not a disease. It's somebody puts garbage in your house, you put it in a bag and then you take it out to the curb. And if you keep putting more garbage than you can put in, you run out of bags, then it's called metastasizing. >> In your opinion, whether it be a tumor, a really high prolonged fever, we can use any sign or symptom. And obviously, you just shared your general thoughts on this. It's the body doing the right thing for you at that time to assist in moving through this in the best way possible. But is there ever interventions you can think about where we can assist the body even though it is

45:33 doing what it knows best? >> Yeah, you can fix your pump. You can take the splinter out. You can not breathe in so much toxic debris. You could use mucalytic herbs or breathe in tarpentine to help your body cough it up. You can, you know, fast or take stuff to and do enemas to clean out the debris so that it's easier to not build up toxic material. That's called medicine. for somebody coming to this conversation right now who's lived a very conventional life to this point accumulated a lot of toxins hasn't been cognizant of these variables

46:18 you brought into the conversation to this point you mentioned enema but what are some of the things to catalyze the detox process to get back to a baseline and try and purge the body of all this accumulation. What would you recommend? >> Yeah, but it's entirely deped on the history and the story of the person. Our our whole new biology clinic, our whole the whole way I did medicine, there's no diseases. That's a myth. Uh there and and you can easily prove that like you go, okay, rheumatoid arthritis, right? That's a disease, right? A lot of people have.

47:04 So, what's the definition? definition is somebody with swollen joints, you know, sometimes bilaterally symmetrical. They're red, hot, swollen, and they have positive rheumatoid factor. That's an antibbody which supposedly causes rheumatoid arthritis. So then the next person comes in, exact same symptoms, they test rheumatoid factor negative. What do they have? rheumatoid factor negative rheumatoid arthritis. And I thought, you got to be kidding. That's like I have this uh you know, it's like a little farm and I have animals and some of them are chickens and they have wings and go like this and

47:49 the others are four legs and they go meow. Those are non feathered chickens, right? That's what that's the kind of level of talking we're talking about. They're not non-feathered chickens. Those are cats. Those people don't have rheumatoid arthritis. And by the way, there's never been a study published, and I'm 100% sure of this, that shows that rheumatoid factor, the antibbody that we're told causes rheumatoid arthritis, actually causes anything. Nobody has ever injected rheumatoid arth factor into healthy animals or people and showed that it causes any problems at all. Never. And if somebody

48:35 disagrees, they're going to have to show me that study. Which means there is no such thing as an autoimmune disease. They made that up. So it depends on how you got there. So, one of these people maybe they had a deficient diet for their life. They only ate they never ate any like bone broth or anything with collagen in it. And so, their joints are weak and that's why they're having trouble. Another person, it's, you know, an emotional traumatic experience and that's why their knee hurts. It's all started then. And then there was the guy who, you know, couldn't walk for 5 years. His legs were weak. So what happened? He was fine, you

49:21 know, playing on a soccer team. His dad's uh machine shop. Then he goes in, gets a flu shot. Week later, his legs are paralyzed and he five years later still can't walk. What happened to him? He got poisoned by a flu shot. So those need all different treatments. The idea that you could treat them the same based on a diagnosis is ludicrous. So I can't say generic 60-year-old, you know, here's what to do. But I can tell you there's basically from what I've seen four ways people get sick. So you can think of it like this and think of which ones. So number one is injury

50:09 like you fall off a horse, break your leg. So that happens. Number two is you're starving. Food, water, love, shelter, security, lots of things, right? People are starving and that causes troubles. A lot of that's food. Number three, and maybe one of the biggest, well, there's only four, but you're being poisoned. The main offenders are vaccines and pharmaceutical drugs, but there's a lot of other glyphosate, EMFs, you know, there's the list as long as your arm. And the fourth and biggest in my opinion is you're delusional.

50:55 And that means you think things that are nonsense. And when you think things that are nonsense, you do stuff that's ridiculous. And actions have consequences. Let me give you an example. I had a a guy knew is a anthroposophical doctor supposedly holistic but he believed in viruses which are imaginary. Um we can get into that or not. But um so because he did believed in viruses, he spent his career treating AIDS people with HIV drugs because he believed there was such a thing as HIV and it caused AIDS, which is not true. So he was delusional. And then came CO. And so because there was a virus that might

51:41 kill him, he took three COVID shots. And after the third one, two days later, dead in his bed from a blood clot, stroke sort of thing. So why did he die? You could say he died from the shot, right? Caused blood clots. Or you could say he died because he believed in viruses. That's why he died. And then the shot was a a normal consequence of that belief system, right? That's what you do. and then the shot had a consequence. So if you believe your heart is a pump and blocked arteries cause heart attacks and high blood pressure is genetic and you have bronchitis because you are

52:28 invaded by a bacteria or a virus, therefore you should stop it. You will do stuff that is enimical to your health and you will suffer the consequences. >> When it comes to how these symptoms express themselves, how much of it in general has to do with the insult versus the person's constitution? Because we do have so many different symptoms, signs and symptoms that we call different diseases. How do we get different things with similar insults is what I'm getting at. Yeah. People are different. Things have

53:14 different meaning to people. You know, the interesting thing about it is western medicine and so-called science doesn't have any science of the body geography. In other words, if you say, well, why do you get shoulder pain instead of knee pain? No reason, right? It's just dumb luck. But in Chinese medicine ordic medicine or even bofield tuning med, the shoulder has a different energetic quality than the knee. There's different meridians that go through that. So this one is a sign of like spleen imbalance or liver congestion and the other is a sign of

54:01 you know heart meridian whatever right I'm just making that up so these these are meaningful to the life of the body this is a different way of expressing itself and then we have different emotional trauma insults that you know the knees have certain you support us kind of um images and shoulders are what you're carrying and you know all these things go into how we manifest the insult and that's that's the interesting part of medicine and the fun part is what happened to this person and in order to do that you need to know

54:46 who they are what their story is and what has happened to down and that's not something you learn in medicine. >> Let's come back to the structured water piece. We know a healthy person in their vessels is going to have this layer of gel-like water protecting them. Let's bring in water and hydration as most people think of it and any interaction there. So the water we're drinking versus this water in the body, >> right? So again, you know, I I always look at these things. So what what's the claim? The claim that we learn in like what third grade, fourth grade or so, is that

55:34 matter exists in three phases. Solid, liquid, gas. So there's there's solid copper, there's molten copper, there's gaseous copper, right? There's ice, water, liquid water, and steam. Okay? And then we're told we're 80ome uh you know, percent water in our tissues. So because there's only three choices, I ask people, which phase of water is the water in our cells in? Well, it's not ice, right? And it's not steam, so it's got to be liquid water. So, do you think you're a a a bag of

56:20 liquid water slloshing around? >> No, because I know your work. >> Yeah. But so, it doesn't feel like that, right? So, then I'm an ER doctor and I see people get shot and bayonetted, etc. You know how many people I saw squirt water out of their body? >> Zero. Right. You ever seen that? >> No. Blood but not not water. >> Blood but not water. But you know 80% of the of the tissues the so-called cells supposedly are just contained liquid water. But there's there's no blood there's no water squirting out of anybody. Never seen a puddle of water beneath somebody's stretcher in an ER. So I start thinking there's something

57:05 wrong here. this, you know, and that's how I I came to everything. This this doesn't make any sense to me or my favorite expression is this is weird, right? Cuz if there's supposed to be 80% water and I can cut you up and I never see any water in you, anybody. And so then you say, "Well, what you know, jello 90% w 97% water. What phase is it in? Number four, it's >> not ice. It's not water because you can poke it and nothing comes out. It's definitely not steam. So, it turns out there's a fourth phase of water. It's called a gel phase, structured water,

57:51 crystalline water. Gerald Pollock calls it easy water. Lots of different names. And it's charged. And all of the water in us is structured water. If it isn't, it's a puddle and then you have edema. So what does it mean to have like arthritis in your knee? You have fluid buildup. That's liquid water. So what happened? Your normal gel which is creates energy and a charge and and you know like lubricates, right? gels keep, you know, the movement is easy as opposed to just water. And something happened. You lost that ability to keep it in a gel. So, it

58:38 becomes a puddle. And that's not right. And everybody can see it. And they say, "You see, I got water on my knee." Right? You do. You have liquid water in your joint. And that's not right cuz that's not supposed to be there. And then you go back to how does the water structure in you. It's because you have water, pure water, electrolytes like sodium and potassium and calcium etc. And then you have sunlight and earth and all the things I said and that creates structured water. Now, you know, it isn't like if you drink structured water, that water goes in

59:26 into your knee and creates structured water. But if you drink charged water, which is another word for structured water, it makes it easier than taking dead water with no charge and resurrecting that and creating a charge. Um and that's why all the healing waters lords and all these fa fancy places highly charged water. It makes it easier for you to keep the charge and the structure of your water which is everything. That's how the blood flows. That's how your joints work. You know, that's what makes the lining of your lungs. And if you get a fever, you liquefy it so that you can

1:00:11 get rid of it easier. It's an amazing system when we miss the whole thing because we don't do science. >> Okay, let me see if I get this at this point. In the body, we have structured water. There is water we're consuming that could be just say reverse osmosis where we've taken the contaminants out, but even better than that is to charge the water. And it sounds like that's an in between where it'll facilitate the body to make this structured water easier than say a distilled or a water. >> Right. I wouldn't drink arro or distilled water.

1:00:57 >> And then electrolytes you mentioned too as being. >> Yeah. There's no charge in it. So you're you're having to use your energy and I would say your precious energy not to do fun things and garden and run and have creative thoughts, but to just keep the the the water in a somewhat crystalline state. That's your only thing you can do. So, you're tired all the time and then you don't have enough energy to run your heart and then it builds up lactic acid and then you have a heart attack. >> Well, let's do a water hierarchy and talk about from nature and interventions.

1:01:42 The best we can start with for our drinking water and then all the way down from there. I mean the best water is a pure spring that the water emerges from the earth on its own power and as it comes up this is in a way so-called primary water. It turns out new water is being made all the time contrary to what we're told. Water is a uh renewable resource as is basically oil and gas. We're not told that. we say it's a finite fuel made from fossils. It's not made from fossils and it's renewable. That's a whole another subject. Um same with water. And when it comes up on its

1:02:28 own, it's ripe and for drinking and using and it comes up in a spiral formation and then sometimes it flows in streams in spirals and it dissolves the rocks. So it has all these minerals in it and it's highly charged and that's the water you find at place like Lords. It always comes up on its own power and it's highly charged. You can test it with meters and things, you know, and then you have lower grades which don't come up on their own like a well or you know the town collects water and then they put all sorts of chemicals in it and that's all that's lesser grade water. I don't know if about

1:03:13 hierarchies. It's just none of that's the best. And at that kind of water, you have to at least charge and that may be enough, but sometimes you have to get rid of the poisons in it. And so there's various ways of doing that, filters and arro and distill it. Then you put the minerals back and then you flow it in vortexes over magnets or with stir it or something like that. You have to get the charge back. That's the most important part. >> Okay. Naturally from the spring where it comes up on its own. Number one. Number two would be forced from the ground through like a well.

1:04:00 Then it sounds like, which is going to be the most likely case for a lot of people at least starting before they have a chance to find a spring and get into that whole >> You'd be amazed almost everywhere there's springs that the old people know about. >> Okay. while they're doing the research and figuring that out, let's get into the details of somebody using distilled or RRO. And you shared this, but I really want to make sure we get into what minerals, what device you'd use to vortex. Let's go right through the steps. Starting with at the top, would you pick distilled or RORO if you were getting water in a city? What I do is I put we we have town water

1:04:46 into our house. And so every week I go and collect from a spring that does what I just said. And then I stir it with an analemma wand, which is basically charged water. Or I vortex it through something called an MEA water device, which creates a vortex and it creates electromagnetic field and charges it. They're they're both doing the similar thing, charging otherwise pure spring water. Now that with the water that comes into the house, we put it through a a pretty extensive carbon filter to get rid of everything. It doesn't get rid of

1:05:33 fluoride, but we don't have fluoride in our water. And then it goes through a ba a spiral copper pipe and that um energizes the water and then the water comes out in the bath or in the tub and sometime or in the sink and then I put some basically sea salt in it. Uh, and I typically use something called purple bamboo salt, which is sea salt that has been burned in bamboo shoots for nine times. And that mineralizes the water. And then I put it through either this analma water wand or mea water vortexing

1:06:21 thing. And now I appreciate that not everybody will want to do all that, but I'm retired and I don't have anything to do except garden and mess around with water. So that's what I do. >> So those first two steps where you're filtering with carbon and then putting it through the copper pipe, it sounded like is that through the whole house? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And the garden. >> Got it. And then the next step is the salt. Will you only use that if it's town water or will you put that in your spring water too? >> No, I don't put that in the spring water. I don't do anything except stir it or vortex it. And that water then goes through um like

1:07:09 the showers. We have these shower heads which are six different crystal vortexing tubes that create a suction just like the heart. In fact, he modeled it after the heart, the the heart. And so there's one of one of them is a ruby and an emerald and quartz and other things. And that creates like a a rainfall effect. So, all of our showers and all of the water we water the garden comes from the town uh filtered copper tube out with a shower head that makes this spiral formation. >> And what's the brand of that shower head? >> It's called Aquadea.

1:07:55 We sell it on our website. It's a guy, German guy who looked at this whole thing and created this uh model of how the And you can feel when the water comes out, it suctions the you can feel the suction so it pulls your hand against the shower head. >> And is that something you have to change every six months and you get rid of the whole thing or >> you never once you never change it again? >> Okay. And then the salt is added. What brand is that special purple bamboo salt? >> I mean, I use one called Insan and there's also one called Prior, I think is the name of it, but I use Redmond salt and Celtic salt and

1:08:42 Himalayan salt and Hawaiian potassium salt. I use different salts, I think. In fact, I have probably eight or 10 different salts. And I think you should use different ones regularly just because they have a different mineral composition. >> And as you share, it's obvious you're not fearing salt. How do you determine how much you're using? Is it just to taste? >> Yeah, just taste. >> And then what about how much water to drink on a daily basis? We have this societal norm of something around eight glasses a day where we're bringing bottles with us and sipping on them throughout the day, making sure we get that eight glasses. There's

1:09:27 different people saying different things, but in that range, how do you look at amount of water we should be drinking? The reality is is and if you look at normal biochemistry 99% of it's total BS but they do talk about like the KB cycle right glucose and goes through all these different steps and the end result is ATP which they say is energy which isn't but they say that it is uh and water and carbon dioxide. So in other words, there we're told that we generate water from the metabolism of food, right? That's what we're told. And when you put some something through a fatty acid metabolism, you generate a

1:10:14 lot of water, which means we're always generating water in our body. And that's our water. That has our signature. It has our energetic blueprint. So I think that's the best water for us. So I don't drink much water. I drink a glass of lemon of water with lemon juice in the morning and then typically I don't drink much water after that. Now it's really hot here and sweaty and so I drink things like beet kavass where I ferment beets and put some salt in it. We make water kefir and so I drink that

1:10:59 and my wife makes als based wi with our own herbs that she fermentss. So I definitely drink that. Um but I don't drink plain water otherwise. >> Okay. So on a typical day, one glass in the morning with lemon, what is happening when people are trying to get say eight glasses a day and they're bringing those Stanley bottles with them throughout the day and sipping on it constantly. Obviously, you're not doing that. There's a reason. Why is that? >> So, let's say you have a a faulty pump in your basement, right? And then you want to circulate the water through your house,

1:11:46 right? And the pump is getting old and you don't have that much money, so it's leaking a little bit. And so the pressure in your shower is a little weak. You with me? >> Yep. >> So what would happen if you added twice the amount of water to this system, especially at the pump? >> It would overwhelm it. And then what would happen? >> It would break. >> And leak, right? >> Yep. >> And it would make it even harder to pump the water, >> right? >> Yeah. More work for it to do. >> Yeah. It's got It's too heavy. It's got all this water in it. So most people have faulty pumps. The pump being the

1:12:31 structured water because they never connect with the earth and the sun and love and it's etc. And so they think they're dehydrated. So they add more water to their pump and that makes it harder to circulate. And then they say, "Oh, I feel even worse. I must need to drink even more." And the next thing you know, they have swelling in their ankles because the water is now impossible for their body to circulate. So it just falls down to the lowest place and that's called edema and they feel tired and sluggish and nothing works right and then the health people tell them to drink more water and

1:13:17 it gets worse and they wonder what's the problem. So that's what happens to people who drink a lot of water. >> Okay. So again on a typical day you're having one cup of water. By the way, if you're thirsty, then you should drink water. That's how you know. And you should drink water with some salts in it. >> Well, that's where I was going next. Your typical one glass of water a day with lemon. When do you take in electrolytes? >> I eat salt with every food I eat. And if it's really hot, like it has been, maybe once or twice in the day, I'll put a half a teaspoon of like bamboo salt in a glass of water with some lemon in it and

1:14:05 drink that. >> Say you're out traveling, you don't have access to your regular spring water or the water you're filtering at home. What brands do you rely on in that case? In that case, I use a Flaska water bottle, which by the way, we also sell. But the reason is it's a a bottle that is has inscriptions on it and it's based on the you know sacred geometry and just the the geometry and the form of the of the bottle structures the water on the inside.

1:14:50 So I get whatever water I can in glass bottles. I try to never use water in plastic bottles because it dissolves that. And I put that in the flask bottle and that will structure it for me. I have a very interesting story about the flask bottle which really, you know, I've read the research and you can see that how it structures the water. But I had a friend who lives near me and she bought Flaska uh they're basically glass bottles and she bought one for her and her son and her uh husband and after a month or so she came to me and said, "Tom, the the water in my

1:15:37 Flaska bottle has black gunk floating around in it." And I thought, not my husband or my son. And I thought, well, that's weird. It must be something in the water bottle, you know, that's leeching off into the water. So, I took the water bottle and tried it myself. And I gave her a new water bottle, and it didn't make the black gunk for me, and it did with the water bottle that I had been using that never made black gunk. And then we tried it with another one. Now, one of the principles of structured water is, and the reason Gerald Pollock calls it easy water, exclusion zone water, is that when you form a gel, it

1:16:23 pushes out things that are not supposed to be in the water. So, that's why it's exclusion zone. So, I about a month later, she ended up getting diagnosed with ovarian cancer. And my take on it was there was something in her, you know, she would like use the wa drink out of the water bottle straight. And so there was some of her that was getting in the water bottle and that was causing the water in the water bottle to be structured and push out some black yuck toxic stuff that was unique to her. because those same water bottles and my water bottle didn't do it to me or husband or her

1:17:09 son. And that told me this water bottle is probably the best diagnostic tool you can imagine because if it's pushing out black gunk, there's something wrong. >> Interesting. Have you heard that with any other people? >> I have. I have asked people and nobody else has seen that and I'm on the lookout for somebody who wants to try it. >> And this lady that had cancer, was she okay in the end? >> Let's just say no. >> Sorry to hear. >> Yeah, but it I mean it was a amazing story of and of course I don't know that that's what really happened. You know, I'm speculating. Uh but I ended up

1:17:56 getting renewed respect for the power of water and the power of putting uh water in its right form and its right geometry and its right energetic environment uh what you can find from that and for people who are interested in that I would check out the work of VA Austin who's done a lot of work on messages from water and what water can tell us and basically our memory is in water and consciousness is in water and water is sort of everything >> given the importance of water and what you know any other modalities that you found are helpful putting your water under

1:18:41 moonlight other sacred geometry using trace minerals other supplements ways we can condition that water to make it more powerful Nothing I can say for sure. I mean, I've seen a lot of those and sunlight and blue bottles and I think it's great to for people to experiment. I I think also having a relationship with the water and you know I I actually thank the water in my body every day for keeping me going and keeping me alive and keeping me healthy and clean. So I think the more we can do to create a relationship with our water inside us and outside us the better. But I I don't

1:19:29 know anything that I can say do this. I've seen the research on the water wand that we use called an analemma wand and I've seen the research on meawater.com uh the way they do it and it's pretty profound stuff. You know, the research that I pay attention to is you water plants with normal water or this water and see what happens. Or you feed animals, etc., not biochemical pathways and stuff like that. I don't care about that stuff. >> I know at least at one point you're a fan of the Aphora water. Are you still? >> I mean, I think they're working on it. I think that it's not perfect, though.

1:20:14 >> Can you say why? I do have an a water anora water device and I use that. >> Okay. Can you say what they need to perfect there? >> You know, anything besides water that comes out on its own is not perfect. So, anytime you're uh cleaning the water, etc., you know, there's compromises. >> And what about carbonated water? I know most times that's something that's done to that water afterwards in processing. How do you feel about that? So, I make carbonated water. Uh, it's called water kefir. And basically, I put water kefir grains in, you know, in water with lemons, sliced lemons, and it becomes carbonated. And so, I I like that.

1:21:00 Whether it's good for me or not, I don't know, but I I like it. And I I would be loathed to not drink that kind of my fizzy uh water kefir. >> When it comes to water, we've talked about drinking water. We have water we're going to get through food. You mentioned the body making water. I just want to understand the physiology there because we also can charge our water before we take it in. In the end is all the structured water in our body whether it be from drinking from food. Does that and I assume it would have to go through our system and be processed in a way to make that structured water and if so

1:21:47 where does it happen? It happens that's called life. You're an energetic field and your energy takes in whatever water you're drinking and or whatever water you're

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