Tucker and Steve Bannon Respond to Israel’s War on Iran and How It Could Destroy MAGA Forever

0:00 Donald J. Trump gets elected in November on the back of this amazing coalition, unprecedented coalition, different parts of American society. You never thought of anything in common. Trump paints a picture that makes it really obvious that the old structure, left versus right, Democrat versus Republican is basically BS and a control device. I think this is my interpretation anyway. So, he creates this brand new coalition. New York Times writes almost nothing about it because it's such a massive threat. But this coalition which you are you described earlier and more precisely than anybody by far is the defining fact of American politics and it kind of feels like it's being blown up over this war on Iran. That's my observation. Correct me. Well,

0:47 I think if you look at the three planks, no forever, stop the forever wars, uh, seal the border and deport the the illegal alien uh, you know, invaders and redo the commercial relationships in the world around trade deals and bring high value added manufacturing jobs back here. They're trying to shut all three down, right? But the one that they the one that they're obsessed with the most, which I find strange, is the Forever Wars. They've got to be in the forever wars and particularly in the Middle East. I mean, this is what and I I'm a big supporter of Israel. Yes. And I'm telling people, hey, if we get sucked into this war, which inexurably looks like it's going to happen on the combat side, it's going to not just blow up the coalition, it's also going to thwart

1:33 what we're doing with the most important thing, which is the deportation of of the illegal alien invaders that are here. If we don't do that, we don't have a country. And you just see right now, they're doubling tripled out. This is actually potentially a real civil war in our biggest cities and President Trump has to have our backing. So, and this came out of nowhere. I mean, the the trade deals you saw he put he put together the liberation day, but they've been thinking about a long time. I mean, Trump's been talking about this since Lou Dobs back in the 90s. He lays that out there. It's very sophisticated. He's got Scott Bessant running around with Lutnick. They're trying to make these deals. Uh he sealed the border already in the first 60 days. Now, we're really going down and actually having the deportation. See the fight? And then out of nowhere comes a war with Persia. It's like a shooting war with Persia. A

2:19 massive shooting war with Persia. It's like how did this happen? And that's why I've been up as a defender of Israel and someone that's very pro-Israel. I've been saying hey this is going to be the end of Israel because of the way these decisions have been made. And you have I think shockingly today earlier when we had you on the show you bring up a point that we have to address which I think it's the thing itself. What is it about this apparatus when you have a coalition that's like 1932 that's coming together like like Roosevelt had Harvard professors and crackers and in uh and Democrats and ranchers out west and big city uh bosses and the Irish and the Italians and he put it all together and they juggled it and Brooklyn but Montana Birmingham Alabama and they're all on the same side like how did that happen and they govern

3:05 literally almost all the way to Trump you know Reagan took out part of it new Gingrich took out part of it but it was 50 60 70 years we have the same ability. We have hardcrable Hispanics on the rear of Grand Valley in South Texas. We have tech bros. We have uh you know economic nationalists. We have economic populists. We have people that want to stop their forever wars. There's three planks and right at the beginning of it, you know, and it's on the 10th anniversary of coming down the golden escalator. That was 10 years ago, Sunday. And I tell people as many triumphs and tragedies, victories and defeats, good days and horrible days, when we're winning and sometimes we're losing, those 10 years of everything that's gone on is just the preamble for where we are today on the convergence of these crises and now all of a sudden a

3:52 shooting war where they're taking the Nimttz battle group out of the South China Sea and sending three carrier battle groups now to the North Arabian Sea Red Sea plus Arley Burke uh destroyers and a whole fleet in the eastern Mediterranean. We're prepping for a major shooting war. And how did it happen? I think what's most shocking is what you said. Hey, it was like Iraq. You're inexitably just drawn and decisions kind of just happened. It's like what's happened over the last 72 hours? How do we even get to this point? How did this actually happen? Who made these decisions when we had the intel out there that this was not like a thing? This was something that was going to happen a year or two from now. BB admitted to Brent Bear on Sunday night. And so the question before us is not simply the Israel Persia situation is what the is going on in this city

4:40 that just drives this city whether you're Barack Obama or Donald Trump. And if we don't sort it out now, and I mean right now, that's what we have to have a throwdown. We have to name names. We have to expose it. If we don't throw it out now, throw down now in the summer of 2025, we're not going to have a country, you know, forget the midterms, forget the the the the next election still. We have to have this. what the CIA, what happened in Ukraine, what the CIA has done, what DNI is doing, what the Justice Department, what what the FBI, what DIA and the Pentagon, because right now we only have a tenuous grip on those. We have two people at FBI, Cash and and Bonino. We got a handful of people over at the a Justice Department in a massive 30 some person or 15,000 20,000 person operation. We have a three

5:25 or four people at DNI with 17 agencies. We're putting a couple of people in there at the Pentagon. We got Pete and a handful a handful of guys. And every time a guy steps up or the team steps up to say they want to stop the forever wars, they're turfed out. He's lost 10 people since we've even got there. And every time Bridge Kobe tries to do something, you know, Bridge Kobe's on the front page of uh that he's an appeaser. So my point is that we now we're getting down to it with all these converging crises. We have a apparatus that reports to Wall Street, to foreign investors, to Silicon Valley, in business with the Chinese Communist Party that's running the deal. And now's the time we got we if we don't lance the bowl over this this country, you're not going if you can't turn around with

6:11 Trump, the Trump team, he has people like you, myself, and the are blessed to have these apparatuses. If we can't do this now, it's not going to get done. And so that's why to me it's gone. of everything we're doing, stopping the forever wars, redoing the commercial relationships of trying to bring jobs back and sealing the border and sending home the 10, deporting 10 million, which is going to be massive, almost like a civil war in these big cities. Of all of those, and I've always said the deportation is the most to get our sovereignty back, the war we have to have now, the throw down we have to have now is with the deep state. And we can't I think we've we've we've um looked away too often. we just kind of kicking the can down the road and if we can't do it now with Trump, it's not going to get done. It does feel like um Fox News is

6:59 playing and I never criticize Fox because they were so kind to me, but they are playing a like a a central role in the propaganda operation here. It feels like it's it's the what let's go back to the Iraq war. I mean, you were there, you saw it. Look at the Iraq war. I promoted you when knowing because of the information you were giving knowingly what they did. If you go back to look at Iraq, it's not like these things are successful. They're not successful. They're unsuccessful. They can't be successful because as Lincoln told us, what you need is popular opinion to have your back. And we don't do enough about educating the American people on what reality is. In fact, they give them the exact opposite. That's why all that's what this is. The rise of Trump is from two things. The rise of Trump is from the failed Iraq war and

7:44 from the 2008 financial collapse. Exactly. You you had Buchanan before that. We had Perau before that. We had even Reagan for some populism national. You had these sprouts. You could see people were trying to get there but they couldn't. It was those two cataclysmic events, right? An epic failed war, right? That we were lied to about everything. The reason we went in because remember at first the American people supported it given the information they were given. Then later they realized that hey not just with the initial predicate for this a lie. All the updates were kind of a lie, right? All the updates were a lie. We really weren't winning, right? Until we sent General Kelly to the Amber Ambar province to be the toughest tribe. It was it took forever and what 8,000 dead 50,000 wounded 9 trillion dollars two trillion in or seven trillion in Iraq

8:31 and and two trillion in Afghanistan. You're just lied about the entire time. That's what's happening here. were not being dealt with straight. And I'm just saying that on the information that's put out. The Israeli position on this has changed three or four times. First, it was the uh nuclear bomb, the the processing. There was going to be something like last weekend, you had to go now. You had to go on Thursday night. It had to happen, right? Then we find out it's a year away at earliest. And then it's a decapitation strike. They're trying to have regime change. that just kind of came up over the weekend and saying, "Oh, since they're there, we're there. We have to do it." Understand they said, "This is unilateral. We're doing our own." But understanding that they needed American air assets on the defense to protect themselves. And this

9:17 is why the Arley Burke were rushed in, and this is why American air defense assets have been used non-stop. Now, they're talking about, "Oh, by the way, we really can't take out Fedora. We can't take out the the hidden mountainous uh second part of this. We need American combat sordies. We need American tankers to refuel us. We need the bust bunker busting bombs. And we need assets. This thing changes all the time. When Tulsi Gabbard still out there as the last thing publicly said by a senior intelligence official, she said it in March. They don't have a program. They haven't had a program. And Brett Bayer asked, that's what Brett Bearer asked uh asked uh BB on Sunday night. And BB said, "Well, we have new information, new intelligence." Well, hold it. We were told that we gave you exquisite intelligence. You weren't giving us intelligence. Exactly. We have to have a

10:04 total vetting. And by the way, we need to get a vetting on Ukraine. We need to get a vetting on was American intelligence involved because it's a zero probability that without our satellites, without targeting the information, without fire control information, there's no chance that the Ukrainians uh as courageous as they are, as uh as as much valor as they have, could have pulled out something so complicated. And so this is right now the fight. The fight has to be we have to take on the deep state. We have to name names and we have to basically take these organizations and take them apart. And that's then you're going to unmask everybody in DC that's not really on your side. You're going to unmask all those people that say they're conservative and say they're Republicans. When they start protecting this, you're going to say, "Well, hang on for a second. This doesn't mean we're

10:50 a constitutional republic. Trump's commander-in-chief. This is what a constitutional republic's about. I don't care if AOC's the president later on or Bernie Sanders or JD Vance, another right-winger. Right now, we have a system that's like the Ptorian Guard. It just it's got its own national security policy. It's got its own reason for existence and it doesn't care who whether it's progressive like Barack Obama or a uh a economic populist nationalist like Donald Trump. And so that is the fight we have to take on today. You probably heard about eight sleep. Lots of people are talking about it. It is a company with one mission, improving your sleep, and it's changing the way people do that, the way they get a good night's rest. We just got word that their team is launching a new product. It's called the Pod Five. It's

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13:08 that these same people are allied with the deep state that is subverting Trump's stated agenda, which is negotiation toward peace. Both in Ukraine absolutely and in the Middle East. Trump has said, "We want to get to an agreement with a lasting peace so we can all be richer, safer, and happier." And in both places, his so-called allies who secretly hate him have like destroyed that. And most of those guys are almost all of them to a person for the Ukraine war. People in your audience should understand one principal thing. We are farther down the pike in a kinetic part of a third world war than how World War II started. If you go back, if you go back from September 1939, the invasion, the start of the European war, not the Asian, but if you start with the invasion of Poland by the

13:54 Germans, and you go to 19 June of 1941, the invasion of Russia by the Vermach, and you look at that time, which really they called the phony war, you look at the casualties from the battle of Britain, the blitz, the fall of France. You look at what happened in North Africa early on, Finland, throwing 300,000 Finland. You add it all up, it's not half of what's happened between Ukraine and uh and Gaza today and now and now in Persia. We are much bloodier. This is a much we're in a we're in a shooting part of the third world war. The third world is not about to start. It has started. And that's what Trump is saying. What he wants to do is have everybody lay their guns down. Let's get to the table and figure out a tenuous at least c, you know, subtle piece that we can then use capital and trade and

14:41 commerce and try to rebuild these countries and let's get people back to work and maybe and tamp this thing down. Whereas the apparatus is doing is exacerbating the conflict part of it. That's where we are right now in the summer 2025. And that's this thing is going to be in the next 200 days. The next 200 days are some of the most perilous times for the American Republic in its history. Because if we don't get this sorted, we're going to be drawn in totally into a conflict as a combatant as not a supplier of logistics or as an actual combatant, a participant in the situation in Ukraine, what they did in Russia, and the situation of what Israel is right now doing uh to the moolas, as bad as they are and as evil as they are, right? We're going to get sucked into a shooting war of which it'll be 10 years

15:28 and the casualties will dwarf anything you saw in World War II. One of the lessons that we never talk about from World War II since you evoked the comparison is that the second the shooting war started in Great Britain and the United States opponents of the war went to jail and Winston Churchill's entire political opposition went to jail with their wives with their wives for the duration of the war and some of them died. um that's been completely that's just a fact and you can call those people whatever you want and they may have been terrible people whatever but they were his political opponents and he put them in jail and and Roosevelt did you know sick the federal government on opponents of the war flat out so if Lincoln did the same and Lincoln did the same that's exactly right I love and in areas that we control in the revolutionary war which not a lot the same thing happened that's called war exact this is what happened exactly and

16:15 opponents of war are invariably described as allies of the enemy and they're persecuted. Do you worry about that happening to you? You just said on camera, "I don't want this war, but we're moving toward a third world war." Well, I saw a look, are you worried about going back to jail? I went to I went to prison on a misdemeanor, but it was kind of one of the same things. I wouldn't testify. I wouldn't turn because I said this committee is not legitimate. Doesn't have a ranking member. Doesn't have a minority council. Is totally legitimate. Plus, he's got executive privilege. Uh that's good enough for me. And I if I have to fight this and I think it's going to go to the Supreme Court. Although I've served my prison sentence, I'm taking it up to the Supreme Court because I had a pretty good ruling, not terrible from the uh from the from the appeals court. A couple of the judges are making arguments about why I should

17:00 take it further. It's definitely going to happen. Look what's happening to you. I mean, I've known you for a long time and I sit there and I look at what's they're saying about Tucker. I said, "What is Tucker saying so bad? He's kind of laying out these arguments that ought to be debated right now in the halls." Very moderate. Tom Cotton's coming out and saying all these influencers and podcasters aren't. Well, let's have a debate. When we had a debate about the Ukraine, about the funding Ukraine in the Senate, we beat him. This is why Mitch McConnell had to resign. We we could because why? Because the podcasters and influencers are much closer to the MAGA base and can deliver the heat into the House and the Senate. And they know that. I'm all for having a War Powers Act debate right now. Exactly. I agree. Let's let's have the American people weigh in because you're going to see the American people are 90% against uh forever wars. And even people

17:48 that support Israel are saying exactly what we're doing here. We thought we had this thing in Gaza you had to clean up with the Muslim Brotherhood in Hamas. Next thing you know, we're dropping we're bombing uh we're bombing uh Tran and you're taking incomings. What's happened in Tel Aviv over the last 24 hours is pretty shocking because you're taking these ballistic missiles. What's Trump's been saying? Everybody calm down. Let's get back to the table. I can get actual thing. He said, "I can get it. We can take it apart. We can blow it up if we want to, but I can cut a deal." And Wickoff and Trump, if you got to talk about two dealmakers that don't are not like diplomats, but guys actually going to get stuff done. I feel more confidence with Steve Whitov and Donald Trump trying to work something out than continue on the shooting war where trust me with a carrier battle group heading over there and all these tankers heading

18:36 over uh to uh to the Middle East. We are prepping right now to come in on the offensive side of combat sorties and that's a gamecher as bad as it is now that we're a combatant because we are a combatant which I say if they're unilateral why do we get sucked in here where is that decision where you said hey Steve decisions just get made and never know how they get made they're organic they there's never a moment where we stop and we say do we want to be involved in another Middle Eastern war you just wind up there just like everything in life you just like how did I get here but I think that's why they're attacking you because you're saying hang over a second let's have a national discussion on this right now before we get in. And they don't want that. But why the viciousness? Not not toward me. I mean, I'm kind of punched out of society, but like why why is it this topic evokes a a cruelty and a

19:22 dishonesty that no other topic does? Never been questioned like this for there's never been questioned out in the out in the open. We've never had this debate that you've kind of led for the last couple of months and now we're actually having this debate. They've never had people uh in government like Tulsi Gabbard, uh like uh like Bridge KBY, like others. And look, I I don't think bridge is hard enough in the Chinese Communist Party, but his book was amazing. And he's got the pivot to Asia, which we have to get to. If people want to see how the institutions and apparatuses work, and this is why the Democrats are all institutionalists now, right? We're we're the anti-institutional guys because we see how corrupt they are. You you need not look further than SenCom. One of the problems we have is that Obama tried it. Obama put his whole presidency on the

20:08 national security side. We're going to pivot out of Asia. We're going to pivot out of Middle East to Asia. The pivot to Asia. Put Joe Biden in charge. After eight years, he had one combat brigade of Marines Ford deployed to Brisbane, Austral Darwin, Australia. That was it. No other changes. No other changes. So, here's a company we're always excited to advertise because we actually use their products every day. It's Merryweather Farms. Remember when everybody knew their neighborhood butcher? You look back and you feel like, oh, there was something really important about that, knowing the person who cut your meat. And at some point, your grandparents knew the people who raised their meat so they could trust what they ate. But that time is long gone. It's been replaced by an era of grocery store mystery meat boxed by distant beef corporations.

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21:40 Use the code tucker76 for 15% off your first order. That's merryweatherfarmms.com/tucker. Hey, on our and our first ask, I supported that. That was like the I despise Obama. I think he wrecked the country, but I don't think that's a cra that was not a crazy idea to pivot. We're having this debate. I had Flynn on today after you. The same We're having the same debate today. Remember the carrier battle group that's over protecting Taiwan in the South China Sea is now in route to the Malaca Straits. The Nimttz battle group is going to the North Arabian Sea. So you're a former naval officer. Give us a sense of the decision making process that leads to a move. Well, here's in in on November what 5th of 79. I'm a destroyer officer, a navigator on a destroyer in a carrier battle group. We're doing the changeover

22:26 from San Diego from we're home port the third fleet to the seventh fleet all takes place in Hawaii. The Hawaiian operator you do like three or four days of work up because they have a certain different lingo and a different tempo. So you got to get to how they do it. We get called in in the middle of night. The red phone everybody line up single file and head into Pearl Harbor. Well Pearl Harbor as a C detail is almost impossible to do because it's so narrow right and Honolulu's up there. So it's not like World War II. It's very dangerous. We go in there and we hear the hostages have been taking taken and now all of our assets in in in Korea in the South China Sea and in Japan are heading towards the North Arabian Sea which the United States Navy had never been at. We had a couple of white painted destroyers in Bahrain. But we were not we were not used to that. So they go we follow a carrier all the way

23:13 to Korea because you had to be we were a gas turbine. We the only ones could keep over the carrier 35 knots for like two weeks. Damn. We destroyed the ship. We destroyed the sonar dome there because you go through a typhoon. You go through some heavy weather because we had a treaty at the time with Korea. We would keep a carrier battle group within a 24-hour strike of North Korea. So, we have to get there. Once we get there, they peel us off. Us and our squadron of ships, the the famous destroyer squadron 23 Arley Burks little beavers. We go to the North Arabian Sea. Why? They're working up for and that is like a host. I tell people if you haven't been off the coast of Iran or Persia as I call it. It's like the landscape of the moon. This is the most inhospitable place on earth. The whole you've been the the

23:58 streets of Hermuz, the Persian Gulf, the North Arabian Sea and our carrier battle group stayed. We rotated out after about four months. People stayed and eventually uh a couple months later actually did the failed rescar. We practiced every day. You could see every day. Hey, they had the they had the lift capacity. The helicopters were practicing going in. We were actually going to do plane guard against potential Russian fighters in the in the Persian Gulf. Put the radars up because nobody knew what was going to happen. It was a failed effort. But I tell people and it turns out the Nimmits is now about to be decommissioned. This may be their last cruise. They were there 50 years ago is the first time they really got commissioned. Their first assignment was in Gonzo and Camel Station in the North Arabian Sea. So these are big

24:44 decisions the Pentagon makes when they particularly today when they decide to take a carrier battle group strike group away from the South China Sea in the defense of Taiwan given how on pins and needles we are there because the the Chinese Communist Party are not doing exercises they're doing rehearsals for an invasion to take that out and to take it to the North Arabian Sea is signaling the world that we're about to do something and that's what's so scary right now and when you get to your theory that these decisions you're just been ex inexurably drawn in. Now we have all of our basically air assets that are ready to launch combat sordies on Tyrron and whatever else happens they're in place. So it just takes it's not like you make a decision well it take us a week to get there. They're in place. The

25:29 tankers are over there. We could do intank refueling. So I think in the next 24 to 48 hours a decision could be made. And that's why I'm getting more and more vocal, not less vocal, that we need to go full stop right now. We need to find out exact because there's too many moving pieces, moving pieces about exactly what's going on, what's the risk? Uh we haven't had a full debate about this. And I would like to see some voices come forward. I'd like to see Tulsi Gabbert come forward and tell us, has anything changed in DNI, which is 17 uh agencies, including the CIA for this? Has anything changed from what you told the public at a hearing in March? Is it if it's changed, let's just hear it. I would like to have John Ratcliffe go to the sticks and I think Rackcliffe's a good man. John Ratcliffe should go to the sticks and say two things. Number one, we had no involvement at all in the

26:14 Ukraine assault and in under Russia. Just just say because he's kind of been in hiding in that and then he ought be open to he's never criticized. No one ever criticizes John Radcliffe. Well, the reason I think they're not I think the reason they're not criticizing John Rackcliffe and John Rackcliffe is a good man. But you have to remember John Rackcliffe was a mayor of a small town in Texas that went to Congress, did a great job. People, President Trump's likes him a lot. He's he's got Mike Ellis over there, but they're two guys, right? We don't have 10 political appointees, which we should have. We got two guys running that building. That's the way the agency is structured. There's no civilian control. No. Well, you you know better than anybody. But but it's it it runs it runs the way it's going to run. I mean, we sent Pompeo over there. It's an army. It's a business. It's a government. See, it's

27:01 aure it's a venture capital. It's literally a venture capital firm. And its budget is unknown. Its reach is and you know, and we have no idea what they're doing, of course, because the majority of things that they do are not, you know, US government employees doing even the door kickers. No, it's they're working through some exile group they've been funding for 30 years, right? They will also look you right in the eye. Oh, I know. And lie to you. Oh, because that's the the moldiness the willerness of mirrors, right? Look, look. And they're smart. Somebody said to me the other day, someone knowledgeable said the problem with us government is like, why can't we do this or that? And like if you wanted light rail, you know, we couldn't do it. And this person said because all the smartest people in government are at CIA. Yeah. And they also with the inter agency process, they control the entire process. This is why downsizing NCS was so important. When

27:47 you have this, we have these uh detaileles that come from all the different departments because NYSE should have 30 people but it had 250. There are 60 political appointees. Yeah. Right. And there's 280 come from different agencies to do all the different paperwork. They have the inter agency process. The CIA controls that process. They control the process at the Pentagon. They control the DHS. They control over the Justice Department. They are embedded deep because they've been around, you know, they've been around so long and they know how to embed deep, right, with the smartest people out there. And so if you don't get control of that, you're not going to get control. They're like a Ptorian Guard right now. We have to we have to lance this. This is like the Roman late stage of the Roman Empire when the Ptorian Guard kind of ran the deal and they would put forward every legionary captain that they thought was going to

28:34 be good for a time. and they are planning right now to thwart President Trump's uh second term, make sure they wait him out, and they're going to have a hand selected person for the third term. And I don't say this as a conspiracy theory guy. This is just basic facts. Totally true. They're so clever that if you criticize them, they will leak to people that you work for them. I happen to know, which is like kind of brilliant. Like if if you're an effective critic of CIA, Joe Kent, I've lived this personally, but also Joe Kent who's just a wonderful man, a totally sincere grand, great man, former CIA contractor, lost his wife in Syria in Obama's Syria war and um and became an opponent of the way things are running and they CIA played in his primary and the way they did it was by convincing

29:20 Republican primary voters that Joe Ken, who's the single most effective critic of CIA in the United States, was actually working for CI. I mean, like, wow. I I tip my non-existent hat in deference to the brilliance of that. This is how brilliant they are. You notice from President Trump the the arc that he went through on Friday. I you know something's up when David Ignatius at the Washington Post, which we call the Langley Bugle. He's the head that comes up. Oh, I'm aware. When Ignatius comes out on Morning Joe and says, "Trump is doing such a really magnificent job here. He's acting like the commander-in-chief." That should be the red flare that goes up and goes, "What the fuck?" No. So, I mean, it's too Have a TV because it's too frustrating to watch. Like, I don't know a single person who doesn't like David Ignatius personally. And that would

30:06 include me and he's just such a courtly man. He's like the Murdoch. He's just you can't dislike him. He's just got elaborate, wonderful manners. He's very nice. But like he is he is the spokesman for CIA. And you wonder the Washington Post is the Langley the Langly Bugle. when Lewis Joy West, who was one of the last visitors to Jack Ruby in his cell before he went insane, um, was a CIA physician and, you know, deeply involved in a lot of really dark, some of the darkest things we've ever done. When he died, I went and looked up the Walter Pinkis obit from the Washington Post. Walter Pinkis was the CIA. I think Walter Pinkis wrote it. And there was no mention in the Washington Post obit that Jolly West worked for CIA. And it's just like, oh my god. It's like, but you wonder like, do people watching Morning

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32:24 Frank Church was going to be one thing, but they got Gary Hart in there who had just been elected. Exactly. Mike Mansfield, the old head of, you know, really a guy knew how to run things, right? Mansfield from Montana, picked both of them. church to head the committee, but Gary Hart was going to be assigned to the CIA to find out what went on. So Hart's seeing Colby and seeing some of the former directors and and they and they tell him said, "Hey, the guy you really got to see all of them tell him say nice to have dinner. You got to see Angleton." Angle Angle Angleton runs the deal. Now he was the counterterrorism counter intel. Yeah. A le legendary guy there forever. Yeah. And um he goes to I think the Metropolitan Club, of course, for dinner. and Angleton would take a drink and Gary Hart's sitting there kind of working him and so towards the end of the evening he can't get up enough courage to ask like the question. So

33:10 finally he says I you know it's about over I got to do this says look Mr. Mr. Angleton, I just got a question um from the committee. We we need to know did the did the CIA have anything to do with the Kennedy assassination? He asked Angleton that. He asked Angle, it's in the book. Hold it. Angleton taped another drink, puts it down, and goes, "Uh, Senator Hart, uh, you were uh, Lord, you were a theology major, were you not?" He goes, "Yeah, as a matter of fact, I was a theology. So, you know the the New and Old Testament pretty well." He goes, "Well, well enough." He goes, "In my father's house there are many mansions." Gary Hart goes, "What the fuck?" Didn't ask another question. Went back to church in Mansfield. Mansfield goes, "Okay, shut it down." He goes, "No, this is why they came out the CIA.

33:57 Remember, they had tried to kill guys in the Congo. They even had the cigar and Castro. Nothing about the domestic stuff at all. That all got shut down immediately. And they figured, oh, it was a Lumumba in in in uh Patrice Lumba in Congo in Congo." and they had tried to kill or killed three or four other guys maybe Deg Hammershar who knows but they definitely they got into all these things that the American people were interested in why are you killing foreign leaders but they didn't get to the heart of many mansions Gary goes out I'm not going any further on this one right and within 10 years Frank Church is dead of galloping cancer and Gary Hart is totally destroyed 1988 through the the leading presidential candidate at the time oh yeah on with a picture it's lured onto the monkey business and then they and then his house the first time they ever surrounded his house.

34:42 Remember? Oh, I I'll never forget it at all. And boy, and the Washington Post led the char. I'm not for Gary Hart or whatever, but he by today's standard crosswome though. You're going to you're pay going to be payback. It's literally unbelievable. But you can't how do you have a real country in the middle of that? Like I don't understand. Well, you can't. This I think you make the point since 1963. It's we've devolved and that's I'm not kidding. as Elon was the special government employee to do Doge to try to get waste fraud and abuse. I think because we're at war now and the war we're at is an internal war. It's an internal war with this apparatus that we finally have a leader that could have the back of people that will go in because he wants it taken down. I think he's getting terrible advice around that. someone like you, not to organize

35:29 it, but who knows the history of these institutions and quite frankly where the bodies are buried, have to come in as a special government employee to help get the people on the ground going to organize. We have to go to war against the deep state. Now, if we don't go to war with the deep state immediately and have a couple of wins that we can point to and some momentum and put them on their back leg, their back foot in the next 200 days, nothing in America is going to change. And we should be clear about who's serving its interest. Tom Cotton, who's the chairman of the Senate Intel Committee, the Select Committee on Intelligence, um was one of the primary drivers of secrecy around the Kennedy files. So Tom Cotton, I think, was born in the 80s. And I like Tom Cotton a lot. I know him. Know his wife who worked at CI. Nice, super nice people. But when it

36:15 came down to it, when Trump gets elected and gets inaugurated in January, Tom Cotton's B, he's denied this, but he's lying because it's true. I know for a fact. Tom Cotton's running around being like, "Well, whatever we do, we can't put people in place. We're going to declassify all the Kennedy assassination files." 62 years later, I think Tom Cotton was born in the 80s. Why would it's not a sources and methods thing anymore? What is that? Why would Tom Cotton be so concerned about releasing the Kennedy documents that he's trying to prevent people from getting jobs on the basis of his belief that they might reveal those documents? Like, what is that? Because that's it's disqualifying. He shouldn't be in the Senate. Of course, he knows that that is the key that can pick the lock. That something happened in 1963. We had a coup d'etat. Yep. Yes.

37:01 The country's never faced up to it. The country understands that like 80% something's dead wrong. They understood at the time the Warren Commission was guncted. You go back and read this new book even by a New York Times writer, you see how what a joke it was, how the FBI stepped in immediately. Jerry Ford was their guy. It was a complete joke. who was made president without an election. Made president without election. I'm just saying there are no coincidences. Jerry Ford of the Warren Commission becomes president without an election. And you're like the if you go I've read the testimony of Warren Commission just in the Warrant Commission that in the in the sixth floor in the depository where the gunman sat right next to him. The guy I think his name was Willie Davis. He was a worker of the of the black guys were up on the top deck pointing afterwards when

37:48 the shot took place. He was going to go join those guys. He actually sat there and had his lunch right next to where the assassin was. Now, you know, assassins and and and CIA and and Navy Seals, I mean, their hearts beating out of their chest before that happens because they understand it may be the last time they take a breath on Earth is when they fire. So, they are really ready to meet their maker and they're highly focused. The last thing you're going to do on Earth is get that target. That is just is just these cartons just suppressing by a few feet. This guy's giving testimony and it's unbelievable. They go, "Well, you were there." "Yes." "What were you doing?" He says, "I was eating a uh a chicken sandwich, a bag of Fritos, and a and a Coke." And and they're going, "You're right next to him and everything's going and you're hanging on the edge of it." And then all

38:33 of a sudden, Jerry Ford steps in and goes, "Excuse me, I have a question. Do you have a criminal record?" And and the guy goes, "Excuse me?" He goes, "Do you have a criminal record?" And the guy goes, "Wow, I was picked up." "No, no, no. You're a felon, right?" And the whole conversation drops. I go, "Oh my god, we're literally at the moment and literally f 10 minutes before the shot takes place, we have a witness that's there and you got to ask him, did you hear anything? Did you see anything?" No. and and Jerry Ford told as you mentioned with Angleton and the guys a few years later out of nowhere on a on a uh on a on Watergate another operation they were deeply involved in right uh he's made vice president of the United States. Yeah. But because the

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40:49 save. policygenius.comtucker. So you wonder like a lot of this is taking place in private and it's one of the great frustrations as an American is you don't know what your government's doing and you have no way to find out even when it's done 60 years ago. You don't know. But some of it's taking place totally in public. The Tom Cotton stuff and it grieves me to say this because I like Tom and I think he's smart. Really smart actually and a good guy in a lot of ways. But he's acting on behalf of CA not on behalf of the people of Arkansas obviously. But then there's Lindsey Graham who's like Floridaid out in public like there's no kind of hiding who Lindsey Graham is and what how does what is that? Yeah. The whole Ukraine thing he and Pompeo how the weekend before the drone assault takes place he's in Ukraine saying something's going

41:36 to happen. He's in France. I mean if you talk to people over there it's like he had inside baseball. He was all jacked up that good things are going to happen. Pompeo's in like Odessa giving a talk. I mean, what does Mike Pompeo? There's a middle of a war over there. We're trying to extract ourselves. What does Mike Pompeo in Odessa given some, you know, a rally speech essentially pump these guys up and he's talking about certain things that could happen or certain positive things to hang in on this war. Exactly what President Trump's counter to. President Trump is trying to have everybody lay down their guns and let's because right now the British papers report is a million Russians dead or wounded. There's 750,000 uh Ukrainians dead or wounded. I mean, this has been devastating. Like World War I type of uh of casualties. President Trump is sitting there going, "We need to put the guns down. I need to

42:22 get people at the table. We need to talk. We'll even buy your dirt. We'll buy your rare earths. We'll put money in." Which we oppose. But if President Trump thinks he needs that for a peace deal, we'll support him. What is What is Mike Pompeo and Odessa jacking these people up? What is Lindsey Graham over there jacking people up about? These questions have to be asked. We have to ask what part of our government is going against the commander-in-chief and what the commander-in-chief is is trying to do. Is it legal for Lindsay to do that? Well, there's Logan Act. You know, I I called for his arrest. Good. Right. Absolutely. Or canceling his passport. Do two things. Either don't lay back in the country or arrest him and and I'm adamant about this and Pompeo also because I think there are arguments around the Logan Act that they're over there countering what the commander-in-chief is trying to do. And I think and they have security clearances too, which I don't have. And

43:08 uh you don't have I assume a security clearance. Not anymore, right? But why does I don't want one right now. No, I don't either. But because you said, "Hey, I don't blame me. Don't blame me. I didn't see Why does Lindsey Graham and why does Mike Pompeo have a security clearance?" Well, I think you got to ask Mike because I'm very disappointed in him. I I knew him for years. I The guy I know today, the guy I see today is not the guy I knew. And I think I think people have to I think they ought to come on when they come on TV is they ought to have the like NASCAR drivers like who's on the whose payroll they on. Exactly. Right. We the American people at least ought to be in a Chiron who they're taking money from. But who what's the deal with Lind Lindsay for um 25 years and it's impossible not to like Lindsey Graham. He's one of the most

43:53 charming, funny, he's just a wonderful person to travel with. Um, he's the most charming person in the world. I'll just say that because it's just true. I like him. If he was here, I would be having fun with Lindsey Graham. But his effect on the United States is so destructive. I don't understand what that is. What is his motive? You know him well, of course, cuz you're Well, I know. Look, I think number one, he's very involved in the Pentagon on Armed Services Committee. The Pentagon, the building runs like the building's going to run. I mean, it's a trillion dollar. Why when President Trump says we're going to go to a hemispheric defense from Greenland to block the Russian submarines to Alaska, maybe Canada for the Arctic because that's the new great game of the 21st century to to the Panama Canal because we're going to block the Chinese and Russian nav and get the Chinese out of the Caribbean. We'll deal with

44:40 Venezuela. We'll have the Central Pacific, which has always been kind of our strategic pivot, the three island chains, and America's hermetically sealed. you you add a golden dome or some sort of ballistic missile, America can live in peace and we can do great and we can do expeditionary not that we're not engaged in the world, you can do expeditionary forces anywhere you want in the world. You can't put Chinese infrastructure in St. Croy, which they have a lot of in St. Croy, which we control. Exactly. So, you can't let the Chinese control your hemisphere. That seems reasonable. And they'll say to us, "Okay, get out of Japan." At which point you say, "Okay, this I mean that seems like logical. This budget is not a trillion dollars going up, right? Because right now it's over a trillion dollars. If you add the supplement that's coming in, the reconciliation bill with the NDAA, you're over a

45:26 trillion dollars and it's only going to keep increasing. This is the way the defense contractors make money. They embed it over there. They kind of run the building. Right now, you don't see any push back by armed services. In fact, every district's got huge plants. As you know, our industrial policy that we do have is really around arms manufacturing, right? and it's a it's a high margin business and we want to sell weapons to the entire world. It's that system that's running the country. Remember the difference between President Trump's first term and his second term is what happened under Biden is a massive concentration of power because they didn't back Lena Khan or the antitrust people like we have now in President Trump's administration like Gail Slater and what's happening to the FTC under Andrew Ferguson taking big tech to court and trying to break them up. Right now you have uh Wall Street,

46:14 you have big tech, you have big agriculture, you have big pharma, you have the big healthcare industry, you have the defense contractors, you have the concentration, these massive industries that have every lobbyist, every uh every uh uh communications expert, all the big law firms on their payroll. If you and I wanted to start today and say, "Hey, guess what? We want to take on one of the industries. Let's pick let's take on big egg." You literally can't get a great law firm to represent you or great lobbyist because they're all they're all hired by these guys that concentrate and they'll set up regulatory hurdles that are insurmountable. This is the regulatory capital. I'm living that in something that we're doing on the side and you just find out that it's like crazy that concentration of power. Oh my god. Regulatory capture and really regulatory

47:00 merger. It's we said when we gave China everything after Tanaman Square when we gave most favorite nation status and WTO and access that that the more they more they get prosperous by because they were a backward agricultural country at the time the more prosperous they get the more they'll become like a liberal democracy like the United States. I remember that we actually have copied the model of the Chinese Communist Party. They have a handful of stateowned industries very powerful merged in with the central government an authoritarian government. That's what we have and that's what President Trump, the promise of President Trump is to break that. The American people don't want it. They hate it. Now, they need the tools to do it. And that's why I think this next couple hundred days coming after the 10th anniversary of really President Trump because what happened at the top of the escalator, Trump was in seventh place

47:47 because people didn't know if he's serious about running or not. He had just gone to CPAC I think 90 days before in in the 2015 CPAC. Trump finished seventh in the poll at three and a half percent. I remember behind all these guys at the top of the escalator. He's in seventh. That night they do a flash poll I think on CNN. He's first. Why? That talk was in a nomenclature and a vernacular. The American people weren't hadn't heard from a politician about the border, about deportations, about China, about bringing jobs back, about ending the forever wars. And remember, as the campaign went on, he goes to South Carolina. I'll never forget it. And in South Carolina, he literally blew up the entire not just Bush apparatus, kind of Fox and kind of everybody on the right

48:32 that had been in there. And when he said it, you could hear the audience gasp. And so many commentators came on and said, "Well, that's the end of him." Because they all said that except me cuz I was the only one at Fox News who I knew. I was like, "Yes, thank you for telling the truth finally." But everybody around you was that he's finished. They hated me for agreeing with them. hated me personally and he won in a landslide. Carl Ro never who was my neighbor and always got along with him again perfectly charming guy sort of um very not a good person at all but but smart and you know Carl but after that that's that was the moment I realized it was in that Greenville South Carolina debate that all that mattered to them was a projection of force abroad that's it everything else was just because they were so shocked he said it

49:18 and united in the fact that he can't win that's when Bill Crystal turned against him was that night and if you Look, you could look it up. Check his Twitter feed. The day before, Crystal was like, you know, Trump's kind of a pig, but he's our pig and actually we can kind of use him and maybe we should make peace with Trump. Bill Crystal said that, who I used to work for for many years. The day after that Greenville debate, he took the position that he has now, which is, you know, we'll destroy the country to prevent Trump from exercising power. Like he was a sworn enemy of Donald Trump's after that when he came out against the Iraq war. How weird. Why did if you hit some if you killed a child in a DUI, okay, you're drunk, you accidentally run over a child, there's no possibility you could meaningfully advance in American life because people would say, "We've forgiven you, Steve,

50:05 but you did something that irresponsible. It's just horrible. I It was a mistake." Yeah, it was a mistake, but it was horrible. We allowed the architects of the Iraq War who gravely injured the United States, got all these people killed, Americans killed to continue to advance. They were never held to account for what they did ever at all. Well, they became the head of the World Bank. How did we do that? The spectre of that is what we've faced over the last 72 hours. This is exactly the same pitch as the Iraq war. Weapons of mass destruction. You have to get it. So, they they understand one thing. They think the playbook works. This is why we have to stop it now. If we don't stop it now, we're we're it's going to work all the time. They think that playbook of lulling the American people to sleep and tell them there there's there's these evil people that have to be taken down

50:51 and if they're taken down everything's going to be fine after that and that we face an apocalypse if that doesn't happen. They're running the Iraq war playbook over again with almost some of the same players or at least the proteges right in the verticals of who those players were. But why does institutional conservatism allow it? If Mike Pompeo shows up at the, you know, Republican county of of dinner in some state, like he's treated as I was in a restaurant with him recently. Everyone's like, "Oh, Mike Pompeo." He's treated as like a legitimate person. No one has ever The right does not hold its own people accountable on the most basic. Well, we say the right, the Republican party is controlled opposition. Okay? They've t they because they've never really put a fight. Let's go back to the three central tenants of Trumpism. you know, immigration, border and

51:36 sovereignty, uh, trade, and ending forever wars. The official apparatus of the Republican party hates all three of those and doesn't agree with and doesn't agree with any of them. Still true. It's 100%. This is Look, look what happened here in the last 24 hours on the immigration side. All of a sudden, there was a pro. They promulgated that um because of big agricultures needs uh that we can no longer have raids on farms, raids in hotels, all of it. that that had to be countered by President Trump saying, "Hey, there's 20 men illegal aliens. I'm going to get them all out of here." And then today or this morning, he came out with we're going to triple down the raids in sanctuary cities, right? I'm going to get all these guys out of here. No, this huge institutional fight led by Fox News, right? Their biggest is the Forever Wars. But if you look at the Wall Street

52:22 Journal and if you look at Fox News on the trade and bringing jobs back from China, they're very ambivalent about that. They're talking about the cost of living. I mean, they're putting up that, you know, because they're all free traders, which is the way the country got in the in the in in the first place. They're also quite ambivalent on um on on the immigration and mass deportation. Remember, mass deportation is just not the criminals. You have to get President Trump said they 20 million. I I say it's 10 came in on Biden's watch. They all have to leave. But you're seeing a lot of ambivalence of that. Particularly the Republican party, they're saying the Wall Street Journal says, "Well, no, they they add 2% one and a half to 2% to GDP, right? because they buy so much stuff. Number two, they've driven down wages among particularly low-skilled black and Hispanics. I say, "This is why we put the coalition together. This is

53:07 why 39% of black men are voting for us. This is why South Texas is now mag territory because they understand their wages to be driven down." So, I think the Republican party hates the basic tenants of President Trump's platform, particularly the mo one they most hate is ending the forever wars. that's tied to both Wall Street, it's tied to the defense industry, it's also tied to this mentality that we have an American empire. Remember you and I saying, "Hey, we are actually a republic. We want to go back to being a republic." Like the founders of our country when they set the constitution, they looked to republican Rome. That was their source of thing, not the Roman Empire. What we've done, in fact, they said, I think it was General Washington, don't go over seas looking for monsters to slay.

53:53 Exactly. Right. we have enough to do here. Let's do this. And I think that that's why we've gotten so far off track and we have an American empire. That empire has to be taken apart brick by brick because all it's done is to basically destroy the inner workings of the United States and just particularly destroy the very people who are the cannon fodder uh in these wars, right? And that's why destroy the nation. Drive around, drive around the country. Just get in your vehicle and drive. And I don't see how anybody could say things are better now than they were 15 or 20 years ago or 40 years ago. It's a disaster. And so the empire destroys the country. And you add on top of it the national debt and the trillion dollars every month. And the the discussions we have a discussion. Doge goes to a bunch of different places, but they never go to the Pentagon. They're not really

54:39 allowed to go to the Pentagon. We have a a budget that we're talking about. How do we make these cuts? How do you cut Medicaid? had he cut the food stamp program which all have to be looked at and done but it's sacri we can't even talk about defense we have a trillion dollar defense budget and I keep saying Trump's laid out a strategy of hemispheric defense it's very different than post-war where we're everywhere the American empire in really around the ring of the Eurasian land mass right and I said he he's talking about a hemispheric defense the budget is totally misaligned with the hemispheric defense both in the allocation to the navy taking down big army but hey baby

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